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[smiley=laugh.gif] you guys are too much some times i love it [smiley=laugh.gif]
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It does make sense. I don't see why WotC would do different sheets for APs, they just print regular sheets with no back (eg. Beta Artist Proof sheets, Antiquities AP sheets, which I have already seen scans of).It's a filler card artist proof! Â ;D
We know that a White-with-black-border / regular-back filler exist from a Mirrodin sheet. Mirrodin AP sheets must therefore have the specific filler shown by Dan Bock.
I have also heard about a "filler" card with two solid-white faces. This could be an AP of the solid-white with regular back filler card.
Very nice find from Dan, though I guess that such an item, even if extremely rare has little interest as the link with the MtG game is really diificult to make.
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Eric.
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Having inspected the card in person, I am 99% certain it is fake. It is a regular blackborder front, blackborder back filler card with the border on one of the sides erased. There is an inconsistency to the texture on the blank side, to the extent that you can basically "see" where the black border used to be running around the border of the card. The border area is "cleaner" looking than the rest of the blank white field of the card. Hard to explain, but not too hard to see. The non-uniformity, coupled with a slight pinkish residual color on one spot on the blank side of the card (i.e., pink that matches the pink eraser color) seals the deal for me.
Sorry, Dan.
Sorry, Dan.
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Hi Forrest.Having inspected the card in person, I am 99% certain it is fake. It is a regular blackborder front, blackborder back filler card with the border on one of the sides erased. There is an inconsistency to the texture on the blank side, to the extent that you can basically "see" where the black border used to be running around the border of the card. The border area is "cleaner" looking than the rest of the blank white field of the card. Hard to explain, but not too hard to see. The non-uniformity, coupled with a slight pinkish residual color on one spot on the blank side of the card (i.e., pink that matches the pink eraser color) seals the deal for me.
Sorry, Dan.
Thanks to have confirmed my previous question ;) :)
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and dan bock didnt notice this?
was he trying to sell the card?
was he trying to sell the card?
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It was good to see Forrest again. He showed up at the Pre-Release on Saturday, traded with a few little kids, then stopped by my booth and asked to see the "new filler" card.Having inspected the card in person, I am 99% certain it is fake. Â It is a regular blackborder front, blackborder back filler card with the border on one of the sides erased. Â There is an inconsistency to the texture on the blank side, to the extent that you can basically "see" where the black border used to be running around the border of the card. Â The border area is "cleaner" looking than the rest of the blank white field of the card. Â Hard to explain, but not too hard to see. Â The non-uniformity, coupled with a slight pinkish residual color on one spot on the blank side of the card (i.e., pink that matches the pink eraser color) seals the deal for me.
Sorry, Dan.
He pointed out a few things on the card that made him believe that it was fake. The pink marks are not there. He tried showing them to me, but I couldn't see them. The pink marks don't even make sense, as when you do take an eraser to a magic card, the pink just wipes off afterwards. The slight borders were very difficult to see. of course i noticed them when i found the card, but its hard to say conclusively what they are.
Forrest was of course convinced it was a fake. He is also convinced that the Alternate 4th Edition set is fake as well. Or rather, not that its fake, but that he can make them in his basement. "I'm a chemist" he reminded me.
Of course you are. 8)
So I challenged him again to "make" me some of the special 4th Edition card. "Its not worth my time" is the response I've gotten a few times.
Ok Forrest, figure out what your time is worth, and I'll pay you for it, if you can do it succesfully. Actually, I'll time and a half it for you. Assuming you can do it. If you can't do it, you owe me a beer.
Seems like a good deal for you. And I know you don't turn down good deals in your favor 8)
Oh, and I'm not trying to sell the card, I don't have a real stake in it being real or not. I just think its amusing that Forrest takes this misprint thing so personally.
Perhaps the next thing I "discover" I'll have one of my friends submit so that it gets taken seriously.
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dan, bout the pinkish color, when a fake is made there WILL be pink spots.
i myself got ripped on ebay by foilfreak_com
this filler is also a real fake with pinkish spots.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5907978287
i myself got ripped on ebay by foilfreak_com
this filler is also a real fake with pinkish spots.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5907978287
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wouldn't erasing an mtg card with a normal eraser also show evidence of being subject to a lot of friction? ie. i wouldn't expect the surface to have a flat / regular look to it if someone had simply erased the picture.The pink marks don't even make sense, as when you do take an eraser to a magic card, the pink just wipes off afterwards
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That sucks. Its a pity there's not a higher res scan in that auction. Can you scan your card to show us the pink spots on it? I've tried to erase a card using an eraser and whenever i leave "pink spots" they just rub right off.dan, bout the pinkish color, when a fake is made there WILL be pink spots.
i myself got ripped on ebay by foilfreak_com
this filler is also a real fake with pinkish spots.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 5907978287
Here's a high res scan of mine. I don't see any pink 8)
http://members.aol.com/DanABock/Power/HighResScan.jpg
Its definately not mint. Could be from being altered, could be just because (like a lot fo people do with misprints, frown,) the guy used it as a proxy.
Axios, Please email me a scan, or post it here. If you email it to me, I can post it for you.
Yes the scan is full color. Yes its the actual card.
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Well, I noticed a few things. This has almost definately been erased.
At the circle numbered "1", you can see the remains of where the black corner was.
At the section near "2" you can see a marked color difference between the color where the border would meet the rest - if you save the image and zoom in to 400% it is clearly visible.
In the circles labeled "3", you can see parts that were missed when the erasing was done.
Hope you didnt pay much for this, Dan.
For the record, though, there is clearly no pink.
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Well, I noticed a few things. Â This has almost definately been erased.
At the circle numbered "1", you can see the remains of where the black corner was. Â
At the section near "2" you can see a marked color difference between the color where the border would meet the rest - if you save the image and zoom in to 400% it is clearly visible. Â
In the circles labeled "3", you can see parts that were missed when the erasing was done.
Hope you didnt pay much for this, Dan.
For the record, though, there is clearly no pink.
What i tried to explain in the previous posts, (and looking over them, i failed pretty miserably...) is that this card is v played. You know how if you don't have a hard writing surface, but you need to write a note you might grab amagic card, and use it to prop up a piece of paper and write on that...
Yeah, that kind of played.
There is at least one distinct indentation like that, and there is a good amount of dirt, i can try "cleaning" it, (though I am loathe to,) and rescanning it.
Nothing like ruining a card in the name of science. 8)
brb,,,
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perhapes the weight of this card could be compared to the weight of another mtg card on a really really sensative scale?
i've used that method to determine that a penny i had without a reverse wasn't real - someone, presumably, filed the reverse off.
i've used that method to determine that a penny i had without a reverse wasn't real - someone, presumably, filed the reverse off.
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Are you upset or something Dan? I gave my opinion about your card, not my assessment of your character. You seem to be a good guy, but a bit touchy for some reason on this subject. I'm sorry if I have offended you.
1. You claim I "traded with a few little kids" at the prerelease, but I didn't bring any stuff at all and only played. I don't make money by ripping off little kids, if that's what you're implying. I can have Sam Cocchiarella come here and verify that I had nothing at the prerelease, or you can clarify that you actually never saw me trade with anyone. Many people on here will attest that I didn't bother to even ask for money to cover increased shipping charges in my earlier sale, and many prices I offered were below market value. I've even given cards to members of the site. It's not all about the money for me, Dan. On this point my actions speak louder than your words.
2. I thought I saw a light pink hue in a ~2 mm x ~4 mm area on one part of the card. It's not like I'm saying the whole card was pink! It was barely there, which means it also might not have been there at all. Maybe some kid with a pink shirt was nearby. The pink is NOT the main reason I say the card is altered, the obvious racetrack of the border is the reason I say the card is fake.
3. On the issue of the Alternate 4th, I agree that it is real. However, I also have heard from printers (my wife is a desktop publisher and works closely with several printers in her business) who say all they have to do is apply a UV coat to the card to achieve the same "no-glow" effect. It's not that exciting to me to have a card that is only different under intense UV light. I spend none of my time under intense UV lights.
4. I've never bothered to make a UV coated card as I didn't want to mess with your discovery. You do a good job at publicizing yourself (e.g., all-Land deck), and this was a nice find on your part. If I find some free time, perhaps I'll mess with some UV coat. Sorry I can't immediately rise to your challenge, Dan, but my time is more valuable than your money.
1. You claim I "traded with a few little kids" at the prerelease, but I didn't bring any stuff at all and only played. I don't make money by ripping off little kids, if that's what you're implying. I can have Sam Cocchiarella come here and verify that I had nothing at the prerelease, or you can clarify that you actually never saw me trade with anyone. Many people on here will attest that I didn't bother to even ask for money to cover increased shipping charges in my earlier sale, and many prices I offered were below market value. I've even given cards to members of the site. It's not all about the money for me, Dan. On this point my actions speak louder than your words.
2. I thought I saw a light pink hue in a ~2 mm x ~4 mm area on one part of the card. It's not like I'm saying the whole card was pink! It was barely there, which means it also might not have been there at all. Maybe some kid with a pink shirt was nearby. The pink is NOT the main reason I say the card is altered, the obvious racetrack of the border is the reason I say the card is fake.
3. On the issue of the Alternate 4th, I agree that it is real. However, I also have heard from printers (my wife is a desktop publisher and works closely with several printers in her business) who say all they have to do is apply a UV coat to the card to achieve the same "no-glow" effect. It's not that exciting to me to have a card that is only different under intense UV light. I spend none of my time under intense UV lights.
4. I've never bothered to make a UV coated card as I didn't want to mess with your discovery. You do a good job at publicizing yourself (e.g., all-Land deck), and this was a nice find on your part. If I find some free time, perhaps I'll mess with some UV coat. Sorry I can't immediately rise to your challenge, Dan, but my time is more valuable than your money.
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Nope, not upset at all. Just annoyed that you're two for two on claiming that my "discoveries" are "99% fake" without offering any proof at all.Are you upset or something Dan? Â I gave my opinion about your card, not my assessment of your character. Â You seem to be a good guy, but a bit touchy for some reason on this subject. Â I'm sorry if I have offended you.
3. Â On the issue of the Alternate 4th, I agree that it is real. Â However, I also have heard from printers (my wife is a desktop publisher and works closely with several printers in her business) who say all they have to do is apply a UV coat to the card to achieve the same "no-glow" effect. Â It's not that exciting to me to have a card that is only different under intense UV light. Â I spend none of my time under intense UV lights.
4. Â I've never bothered to make a UV coated card as I didn't want to mess with your discovery. Â You do a good job at publicizing yourself (e.g., all-Land deck), and this was a nice find on your part. Â If I find some free time, perhaps I'll mess with some UV coat. Â Sorry I can't immediately rise to your challenge, Dan, but my time is more valuable than your money.
You might think that your time is more valuble than my money, but I doubt it. But its not about money, its about reputation. I don't have the time to post here regularly. I wish I did. I usually only check it out when something specifically interests me, or when someone says something about me and someone notifies me about it.
You do seem to have the time to post here, at least enough to have built up a decent reputation here here. Congrats on that. But when you use that reputation to say that my discoveries are fakes, or "99% likely to be fakes" then I'm going to come out swinging.
You claim you can make the UV cards. You can't. I don't think you should claim that you can if you can't prove it, or at least aren't willing to prove it.
"On this point my actions speak louder than your words."
I agree, I'd love to see you make some of these cards. If I sent you a 5th Edition card, do you think you could "make" it into UV coated card? Could you also change the color of the blue oval on the back to purple? Do you think you could make it into one of these cards? You're right, you're right.... your actions will surely speak louder than my words.... I'm just waiting for them to open their mouth.
My mistake if you didn't trade with anyone at the pre-release.... How long were you there?
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I rather refuse to trust it.
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