Some nice original art on the Bay

random · Post by **random** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:17 pm

If it was redone though it would likely have been the "pg" version that we'd see for sale $:-\$

random · Post by **random** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:18 pm

Honestly, I remember reading an article bout this card.. Maybe a really realy old Inquest? I say it's the same artwork "modified" somehow.

random · Post by **random** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:26 pm

"How radically different? Do you have scans?"

Yes I do, I'l get those up in a bit if anyone's interested..
It's cool cause they all came with the instructions on the back, like the descriptions of what WOTC wanted the card to look like.

Sorry bout all the rapidfire posts... Original art is "my thing"

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:27 pm

random wrote:Honestly, I remember reading an article bout this card.. Maybe a really realy old Inquest? I say it's the same artwork "modified" somehow.

I'm infinitely curious about this now. I would love to agree with you, but since the original obviously hasn't been touched, they either made a replica and touched it up, or did it digitally. The state of digital art in 1994 was pretty poor. I'm not sure such detailed work could have been done on anything but a high end SGI box in those days. If their art dept was small, chances are they didn't have one of these.

Anyone feel like sifting through old Inquests?

Post by **dragsamou** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:38 pm

l0qii wrote: Anyone feel like sifting through old Inquests?

Hi Tim.
I have a look right now at Issue 1 to 5,as these are the only ones that I own.I'll let you know in few minutes.
EDIT:While issue 4 and 5 are about Ice Age,and the card Hecatomb is there 3 or 4 times, nothing about that Alteration.

random · Post by **random** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:46 pm

Randy Asplund had a few that were "touched up". Those were easy peasy though considered this. The more I think about it the more I'm sure... I didn't have the internet then... Not sure what other publications covered MTG back then that I could have read. I would have been in Germany then.
I could be wrong

It really doesn't make sense though. The owner has other good pieces so it's likely "real". Who would copy this card anyways?
The artist isn't that "known". If it was modified it would have been backwards. The "pg" version on the card would be the final version..
Lots of art is modified nowdays but back then it would have required a lot of effort. Best to ask NeNe

Or "Ask Wizards"

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:00 pm

I sent NeNe an email asking for the background story. I'll post the response here if/when I receive one.

random · Post by **random** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:11 pm

Cool, I wouldn't buy it but it's an interesting topic..

I don't have an image hosting thing.. Do I sign up? I can just send you scans of what I mean about Fischer. PM me your email.

Those prices are really high but I think the Enchantress is the best piece of Alpha art. If I didn't collect art I'd buy that

I can get something much better for less $$$ nowdays..

I'll post more in the other "original art" thread later. Good luck to anyone that buys these. Really cool stuff!

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:48 pm

Here is the response I got:

Dear Tim,
I really think that this IS the original artwork that I painted back in
1993. I didn't notice many changes between the original and the printed card,
other than the image got much tighter when it was reduced for the card. Maybe the file has been modified over the years for various re-printings of the game? Anyway, hope that helps a little bit!

Nene Thomas

Now, let's compare side by side the art on ebay, an image of a signed and numbered print I found on the internet, and the art as it appears on the card

1. The antler on the left does not go out into the background as in the other 2
2. This antler does not loop back and touch the bone like the other 2
3. blue?
4. antler mysteriously missing
5. Signature on the left is 3 words over the stem of the glass, in the middle it's 2 words, under the stem, and on the right is cropped out with the stem of the glass still visible. The bio on NeNe's website lists her name as "Nene Tina Thomas"
6. Middle and right are nearly identical except for added red fabric and tint/coloration.
7. Gold bands on left replaced by red stripes in middle/right

I assume the NeNe recognizes her own art. I also assume the seller is legit given the other pieces he has for sale, and all those look fine. My only conclusion can be that 2 different pieces of art exist for this card and the one for sale was not actually used for the card.

agzz · Post by **agzz** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:20 pm

Thats a quick reply there and a great post Tim.

In addition to the items you listed, Tim, the whole bone pile, her hair and muscle build and the cups is slightly different. = everything.

Must be she did two versions, the one in the print being altered to the final card version. but you'd think she'd remember that.. while she remember not many changes was made.

Might very well be Nene Thomas art but its not the one used for the card.

random · Post by **random** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:54 am

But then she had to do 2 paintings $:-\$ Two very similar paintings... I think she'd remember doing that..

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:45 am

I sent again asking about the possibility of 2 versions. She replied:

On "Hecatomb", I DID do two versions of the piece since WOTC told me that my
first version was too bloody and naked. "Heh! I think I went overboard with
the card description.

Nene Thomas

MAGICSALEMAN · Post by **MAGICSALEMAN** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:44 am

Great Art this Hecatomb !
Seems to be effectively the original and not the print limited.

=D>

Some original Mtg sketchs Tim & Greg H.
Specter's Shroud.

Original Holy Strength

agzz · Post by **agzz** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:24 am

mystery solved then Tim! Great!

l0qii · Post by **l0qii** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:21 am

None of the paintings sold.

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Some nice original art on the Bay

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