MTG Magic Alternate 4th EDGAR SUMMER 46C 10U 4R on The bay

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MTG Magic Alternate 4th EDGAR SUMMER 46C 10U 4R on The bay

Post by wizard1 » Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:45 pm

This isn't my auction but just incase someone wanted to start an attempt at building an Alt 4th set, here is a good place to start esp at 0.01!

http://cgi.ebay.ca/MTG-Magic-Alternate- ... 3caa995385

★MTG Magic Alternate 4th EDGAR SUMMER 46C 10U 4R RARE★

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Post by Hayden » Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:32 am

thanks for the heads up... that is a nice Alt 4th starter auction.

Although I hate it when sellers use deceptive titles Grrrrrrr [-X
I'd report this if I knew eB would actually do anything about it lol

Anyway GL to all who bid on this nice lot.

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Post by hammr7 » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:11 am

If anyone wants to start collecting alt 4th, I have full sets of commons and near sets (I might have one full set) of uncommons available. The cards are all pack fresh mint, as I opened far too many boxes in my quest for a player's set.

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Post by shaselai1 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:58 pm

it's a blatant ripoff considering 4th alternate are much less valuable than summer ones... It is funny though since collectors of summer cards are probably very cautious from the start and would undoubtedly see the "fine print" there. Maybe someone should buy it and not pay and give the seller a neg review since ebay now doesnt allow sellers to give neg reviews any more heh :-D.

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Post by Magic61983 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:20 pm

Summer cards to my knowledge were never released in Starter deck boxes.
BGS 9+ Alpha set 282/295 (97.29%) Avg 9.41
BGS 9.5+ Beta set 283/302 (93.71%) Avg 9.58
BGS 9.5+ Arabian set 35/92 (38.04%) Avg 9.62
BGS 9.5+ Antiquities set 82/100 (82%) Avg 9.64
BGS 9.5+ Legends set 279/310 (90.00%) Avg 9.61

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Post by ouallada » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:29 pm

Don't really see a problem. It's really clear that the cards aren't summer from the title, description and picture.

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Post by Tha_Gunslinga » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:49 pm

So you have no problem with the blatant misrepresentation in the title then? Does "Edgar" refer to Alternate 4th now?

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Post by shaselai1 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:49 pm

well why include edgar summer to create unnecessary confusion unless that is the seller's goal. It is IMO a "level up" from the people selling empty boxes of merchandise after a through description of it.

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Post by ouallada » Mon Mar 01, 2010 6:59 pm

Tha_Gunslinga wrote:So you have no problem with the blatant misrepresentation in the title then? Does "Edgar" refer to Alternate 4th now?
I would, if the words "alternate 4th" didn't come first, and if the description didn't clearly state, in bold no less, that the auction did NOT involve summer. He may or may not have mis-stated the label of "summer" on purpose, but it's clear that he has not taken any measures to obfuscate the contents of the auction.

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Post by misterpid » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:22 pm

Keyword spamming - including terms that don't refer to your item(s), but will cause your auction to appear in searches for those terms - is against Ebay policies. They rarely close an auction for that reason, but it is against the rules and can be reported.
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Post by Tha_Gunslinga » Mon Mar 01, 2010 7:50 pm

ouallada wrote: I would, if the words "alternate 4th" didn't come first, and if the description didn't clearly state, in bold no less, that the auction did NOT involve summer. He may or may not have mis-stated the label of "summer" on purpose, but it's clear that he has not taken any measures to obfuscate the contents of the auction.
Then why is EDGAR in the title? What does that have to do with Alternate 4th?

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Post by ouallada » Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:13 pm

Your guess is as good as mine.

Alternate 4th was called summer 4th often enough when it was just discovered though: http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/v ... 656c219e70

It's easy enough to mistakenly tie the word "edgar" with alt fourth if you have seen it called summer 4th before, and aren't familiar enough with the nomenclature. If you can condone honest mistakes through a lack of understanding, such as calling a chinese card korean, I'm sure you can see how this COULD be an honest mistake. It certainly isn't definite misrepresentation.

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Post by shaselai1 » Mon Mar 01, 2010 9:42 pm

I agree that summer can be synonymous with alternate 4th (a judge from local store and a veteran (alpha +) swore that summer = alt 4th) and people could very well make mistakes. HOWEVER, the seller posts the statement : "Note this auction is for 60 ALTERNATE 4TH EDITION CARDS they are NOT Summer Edgar Cards" shows me he knows the difference between the two. If he omitted that line he *may* get away with this being an honest mistake but he probably put that there so whoever gets ripped off cant complain - but then again with new Ebay feedback rules the seller cant touch the buyer through feedbacks even if the buyer decides to not pay for it later.

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Post by kalimno » Mon Mar 01, 2010 11:43 pm

It is keyword spamming. I have saved searches and it appeared on the daily mail of new posts for "Edgar". If the seller did not include Edgar in the posting, I might have not noticed it.

But I hate it because at one point they make keyword searching useless. Everything is "Rare", "Power 9", "Summer", "Miscut" and "Misprinted", some bearing multiple of those qualities simultaneously...

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Post by wizard1 » Tue Mar 02, 2010 5:11 am

Yeah the keyword spamming is bad, but they do state

"Note this auction is for 60 ALTERNATE 4TH EDITION CARDS they are NOT Summer Edgar Cards"

So I really dont think they are intentionally trying to mislead, just keyword spamming to get attention/views.

PLUS the fact that they actually have an explanation of what Alternate 4th Edition is.

If someone ignorant enough to still think they are EDGAR even after pictures, description and further writeup , then they really have problems in comprehension and deserve a lesson.

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