a specimen AP??

[pickle.69]

I have two spare specimen cards available if anybody is interested.

[dragsamou]

Hi Members.
As,I just received mine this morning,I would like to clarify something:
Do the Specimen Cards have Only "Specimen" wrote in Black or in Red and Green as well?
Do the Numbers Cards have Only "Numbers" in Red or Black and Green as well?
Also,it would be great to establish a list,of the different Numbers existing.
I would appreciate if Members that own one or more could provide the "Numbers"they did get.Once,I get answers,I will create a list.
Thanks for your help.

[pickle.69]

I wanted one of each color and one , two three digit numbers so I asked him to make a list:

blue 30, 96, 106, 40, 31, 69, 102, 79, 59, 80
green 55,81, 91, 25, 35, 3, 54, 65, 75, 73,
red 71, 98, 60, 81, 8, 108, 98, 32,

Specimen cards all have other fronts.

I own: r8, g55,b106

[dragsamou]

I wanted one of each color and one , two three digit numbers so I asked him to make a list:

blue 30, 96, 106, 40, 31, 69, 102, 79, 59, 80
green 81, 91, 25, 35, 3, 54, 65, 75, 73,
red 71, 98, 60, 81, 8, 108, 98, 32,

Specimen cards all have other fronts.

Hi Richard.

red 71, 98, 60, 81, 8, 108, 98, 32,

I do have the N0 98,another one exist?

Specimen cards all have other fronts.

What about the Color of the Word Specimen,only In Black?

Also do these belongs to Filler Cards or Test Prints cards?
Thanks.

[pickle.69]

no only one per number, I got that list befor you bought yours, so yours is on that list.

The I only know of cards with black specimen. The fronts are different though.
I have:
morgue thrull
Spined Wurm
Skyshroud Falcon all have exact same position and color of "Specimen".

I think these belong to test prints, as there are multipe different verisons and not only one typ.

[equi-nox76]

In swizerland and france the word specimen is also used for tests prints of new banknotes.
Speciman = an example regarded as typical of its class
Specimen = Sample, test copys.... etc.pp

Same for Belgium.

Chris

[ende73]

Hello, after being the first purchaser I only got mine today (thanks Italian Posts !) and also think it's authentic.

I have a Specimen Torment from Stronghold.

The word Specimen is in pink


... joke ! It's in black like all the others.

One thing I noticed, which I'd like others to confirm, is that the card is quite miscolored. It is very dark and the black color (Torment is a black common) tends to fade into a very nice dark blue.

Granted slight miscolorations are typical of many MTG sets (esp. Mirage, Visions, Urza's Saga for example), but maybe it really shows these are test-prints after all.

[dragsamou]

Hello, after being the first purchaser I only got mine today (thanks Italian Posts !) and also think it's authentic.

I have a Specimen Torment from Stronghold.

The word Specimen is in pink


... joke ! It's in black like all the others.

One thing I noticed, which I'd like others to confirm, is that the card is quite miscolored. It is very dark and the black color (Torment is a black common) tends to fade into a very nice dark blue.

Granted slight miscolorations are typical of many MTG sets (esp. Mirage, Visions, Urza's Saga for example), but maybe it really shows these are test-prints after all.

Hi Enrico.
As I did get also a Black card "Brush with Death",I confirmed the Darker part fading to Blue.

[ende73]

Hello, after being the first purchaser I only got mine today (thanks Italian Posts !) and also think it's authentic.

I have a Specimen Torment from Stronghold.

The word Specimen is in pink


... joke ! It's in black like all the others.

One thing I noticed, which I'd like others to confirm, is that the card is quite miscolored. It is very dark and the black color (Torment is a black common) tends to fade into a very nice dark blue.

Granted slight miscolorations are typical of many MTG sets (esp. Mirage, Visions, Urza's Saga for example), but maybe it really shows these are test-prints after all.

Hi Enrico.
As I did get also a Black card "Brush with Death",I confirmed the Darker part fading to Blue.

Let's make a little test to verify whether we made a point here.

Which is the Specimen card among the three below ?

[dragsamou]

Hi Enrico.
The one on the Left

[berkumps]

I agree, unless you have 2 specimen AP Torments, then its the 2 on the right

[ende73]

Hi Enrico.
The one on the Left

Alexis wins

The prize is a Specimen Black Lotus (as soon as I can get one )

[dragsamou]

Hi Members.
So this the list of the "Number Color" Cards from one Owner:

1 green
2 blue
3 green
4 red
4 green x2
5 green x2.Owner dragsamou
5 red
6 green
9 green
10 red
10 blue
12 green
13 red
13 green x2
14 green
14 red x2
15 green x2
17 green
18 red x2
19 green
19 blue
20 blue
21 green
22 green
23 green
24 blue x2
24 green
24 red
25 green
28 red x2
29 green
30 green x2
30 blue
31 green x3
32 green
33 green
34 blue
35 blue
36 red
38 green
39 green
40 green x2
40 red
41 green x2
42 green x2
43 green x2
44 green
45 red x2
45 blue
47 green x2
47 red x2
49 green x2
49 red
49 blue
50 red x2
50 green
51 green x3
52 green
53 blue
54 green
54 blue
55 red
57 green
58 blue
59 green x2
59 blue
60 red
63 green x2
64 blue
64 green
65 red
67 red
68 green x2
69 blue
69 green
70 blue
70 red
70 green
72 red
73 green
74 green
74 blue
77 blue
77 green
78 green
79 green
79 blue
80 green x2
81 green
82 green
83 green x2
84 green
85 red x2
85 green
88 blue
89 green
89 red
90 red
91 red x2
91 green
93 green x2
95 red x2
95 blue
96 red
97 red
98 blue
99 red
102 red
103 green
105 green x2
105 blue
105 red
106 green x2
107 blue
109 red

This is the list from the other owner:

3 Green
8 Red.Owner Pickle.69
30 Blue
31 Blue.Owner dragsamou
32 Red
40 Blue
54 Green
55 Green.Owner Pickle.69
59 Blue.Owner Morphilou
60 Red
65 Green
69 Blue.Owner dragsamou
71 Red.Owner Anonymous Member
73 Green
75 Green.Owner dragsamou
79 Blue
80 Blue
81 Green.Owner Morphilou
81 Red.Owner Morphilou
91 Green
96 Blue
98 Red X2.Owner of one dragsamou
102 Blue
106 Blue.Owner Pickle.69
108 Red.Owner dragsamou

Others buyers from the Seller Thekingroyal.t on Ebay:
3 more are still available on Ebay Now.
echoicmemory from US= 3 Cards
felixthecatfan from US= 3 Cards.
mgguy from US=1 card
morphilou from France=3 Cards
If you know one of these buyers,thanks to ask him,which cards Color/Number he received.For now,I'm expecting answer from the French Member.I will updated as soon as I get confirmations.
Thanks for helping.

[dragsamou]

Hi Members.
As you have probably noticed,Mister Wayne is the last Member registrated on the website,but,as I was wondering why he was not posting in the Forum,I sent him an E-mail,and as soon as I get his answers,I realized that I did forget to activate his posting Sorry again for that Mr Wayne Anyway this is his E-mail and I'm sure he will be more than happy to answer your New questions.

I have attempted to register for your site, but have yet to receive the email confirming my registration.....and it's set up to where I can't post without being registered. Therefore, I'll just tell you what I know concerning these cards and you may post this entire email on the rarities website.

After discovering these, Shaun (who helps me out at the store) took 15 of the "Specimen" cards to a larger magic event in Columbus to test the waters and see if anyone had seen anything like them or could suggest a value (or make an offer). At this time, these were the only specimen cards I had seen and if I remember correctly, we had not yet seen the "number" cards. I had a customer purchase this specimen pack (which came from a Chinese 5th booster box) and after shopping it around locally and no one making an offer on it, he traded the pack back to me (I wasn't at the store when he originally purchased it). One person in Columbus was quite interested in the cards (Johnstown, I believe), but unfortunately Shaun nor anyone he went with made second day and he couldn't locate the interested party before leaving the event. Upon his return to the store, I decided to list one of the specimen that I had a duplicate of on Ebay. I have not listed one since. The person listing on ebay (royal T) is not me and is not selling on my behalf.

The "specimen" box was mostly Chinese 5th packs (meaning, most of the packs were what they were supposed to be), so after the one pack was traded back to me, I opened a few packs and hit nothing but Chinese 5th, so I figured it was a one shot deal and left the packs on the shelf. Then, a day or 2 later I arrive at the store and "royal T" and Shaun are opening packs and saying "look at this craziness" and show me some cards with colored numbers on them. After Shaun and and royalT get a few packs for themselves, I decide to pull the Chinese 5th and Shaun and I open what's left of that box and another box. At this time, I assumed "royal T" only had number cards (as that's all that Shaun and I opened from these packs), but it turns out he hit some specimens as well (I think about 3 packs worth) . The "Specimen" cards were running 15 specimen per pack (full packs were all specimen)....in addition to mine, royal ts and Shauns, there is one other pack that I am aware of (about 6 packs worth total that I am aware that exist).

The "number" cards ran anywhere from 2-8 cards per pack, with the other cards being Stonghold commons (regular back....darn it!). From royalt's auction, he seems to have hit a few of those as well, but I believe he hit mostly specimen cards (he didn't buy many packs). I have apx 150 of the number cards ranging from #1 to #109. The numbers are printed in 3 colors (red, green, blue) and some numbers are printed in mulitple colors (I have #105 in red, green, and blue).

I have held off on running further Ebay auctions, as I feel the prices these are bringing now are too low considering the rarity of these. Royal T is a good guy, but his auction listing skills and knowledge of Magic are.....well, not the best and I think that hurts his listings. Once his supply is gone, I may leak a few out on Ebay unless someone makes me an offer on what I have before then.

I'll answer some specific questions posted in the links you provided:

>is this guy a fraud?

Absolutely not. What I have stated above is 100% true (odd as it sounds).

>It just seems too weird that a Chinese pack would be opened in Tennessee.

Actually, I sell quite a bit of foreign Magic product......just sold out of Japanese Future Sight last week and have a restock on the way from Wizards......

>Even if they are real isn't it childs play to counterfeit them?

Well, you'd need to have a bunch of Artist proofs laying around :) and, being printed at the factory vs having an ink stamp on the back is two very different things.

>To me and my dear freind, these cards are legit and a great addition to any filler collection!

Well said, pickle. If I had the ability (and evil desire) to counterfeit these, I'd have a bunch of specimen Moxen, believe me :)

>Specimen = Sample, test copys.... etc.

Test copies that randomly ended up in packs.....sounds about right.

>Just so you know he has cards of all colors and when i saw them in person there was no Mana Leak so this is starting to get quite sketchy.

Two different sellers. When you saw our 15 cards, the mana leaks and others were still sealed in my packs (darn it!!!)

Hope that answers the questions you've all had. If any of you are interested in purchasing my numbers or specimen cards, drop me a line at mrwayne@charter.net

On the numbers, I prefer to sell all to one person (one person who happens to have a lot of money) :) or to sell the few duplicates I have. I would also consider trading for certain older cards (and a summer magic Serra Angel, as I collect Serra).

Thanks!
Wayne @ Mr.Wayne's

[Mr.Wayne]

No problem. I just posted the same (slightly edited for neatness/clarity) under a new topic (everything you wanted to know about specimens/numbers).....and yes, glad to answer any questions.

Wayne