Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:49 am
and what is the supposed prize for this cards? obviously most than summers, but how much more? we speak about thousands?
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Hipalaueb wrote:and what is the supposed prize for this cards? obviously most than summers, but how much more? we speak about thousands?
I'd like to point out that these cards are arranged on the sheet exactly the same as they would be on the bottom right quadrant of a regular Revised uncut Common sheet. (6 card by 6 card block as described elsewhere by Dave Howell)
(I showed him the uncut sheet pictures from this thread)cataclysm80 wrote: I'd love to hear your thoughts on these colored border cards.
snarke wrote: Oh, that does look familiar. Huh. Y'know, I retract my earlier statement. I think I *did* do a test run for colored card edges. Is the sheet pictured above white on the back, and weirdly glossy?
cataclysm80 wrote: Yes, the colored border sheet is white on the back side.
I'm not sure about the gloss, but the cards are arranged identical to the lower right portion of a Revised sheet.
snarke wrote: Yea, It's all terribly hazy now, but I do have this recollection of taking a file (apparently the lower right Revised common file) in Freehand, and pulling out colored rectangles behind them, then having our imagesetting service bureau run films and make a Fujiproof so we could see how it looked. Fujiproofs are very shiny, much more than the varnish coat on printed cards. The paper is also thinner. The dark blue-purple in the first picture is what you get when you print 100% cyan and 100% magenta.
Hi Tavcataclysm80 wrote: There you go, The guy who made these says that they are real.
dragsamou wrote: What about the sixth color used: Pink, you mentioned orange earlier, but there's none on the sheet.
dragsamou wrote: Now, let's come back of the supposed Borders tested from the info provided:
Colors: Blue, Green, Orange, Pink, Purple, Red, and Yellow.
cataclysm80 wrote: Regarding the colors,... Daniel listed those colors off the top of his head and said not to quote him and that he would provide more info later.
I'd be surprised if a 36 card sheet had more than 6 different border colors. We may have one color in that list which should not be there.
Tavcataclysm80 wrote: 6 different border colors listed above exist. Orange is the color listed above which does not exist.
I do not own any of these. As far as I know, Daniel still has them.dragsamou wrote:
Do you own any to verify the weirdy glossy and thinner part ?
These colored border prints would have been printed locally, not by Carta Mundi.snarke wrote: The Fujiproof system laminated the layers together so you couldn't lift them up and separate them.
True. My first thought when I saw this pink bordered Merfolk on Daniel's low resolution picture is that it has been poorly handmade cut with a paper trimmer. These white dots give an impression of poor ink quality (take a look closer at this swamp too). Not to annoy Daniel, but given the fact that there are so many advanced printing technics around these days, that these cards are supposed to be more than 20 years old and that they are resurfacing today from nowhere while nobody has never heard of them, and that Dave's memories are "terribly hazy", I would not say that they are 100% doubtful but I personally share Alexis's skepticism.These colored border prints would have been printed locally, not by Carta Mundi.
The individual cards would also have been cut locally, which explains the damaged edges (white spots). It looks like they were cut with a sliding blade similar to what is used for making photo mats to frame pictures.
cataclysm80 wrote: There are still a few people who doubt that the colored border Revised test prints are real.
How sure are you that you made something like that?
snarke wrote: Fairly certain, but I could almost certainly state authoritatively one way or the other whether these are the ones I made, if I could see a good photo of the bottom edge of the sheet
Here is the referenced section...dragsamou wrote: colored borders projects were definately banned from WOTC with Arabian Nights. Read the last chapter "A Note on the Expansion Symbol". http://howell.seattle.wa.us/games/MtG/A ... tmare.html
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snarke wrote: A Note on the Expansion Symbol
The Arabian Nights booster box features the Magic card back, but all purple-y, like the box itself. That was what the backs of Arabian Nights cards were going to look like. If you'd mixed them into your deck, you'd know you were about to draw one. We'd found that this really was not a problem when we'd been playtesting. After all, playtest cards mixed into a real Magic deck were glaringly obvious, but none of the playtesters had any issues with it.
But when Magic players heard the news, they went ballistic. Mind you, this was the same rabid throng that had told us what utter losers we were to try and scam the public by releasing a game where you didn't get all the cards when you bought it, but only some of them. Yea, right. Nevertheless, Peter was really worried, and felt we'd better switch the card backs back to the brown of the basic set.
(The ONLY reason, by the way, this was considered was because Carta Mundi could just use the printing plates they already had. If we'd had to make new film, it would never have been changed.)
But changing the card back was also very problematic. City in a Bottle required that a player could identify the Arabian Nights cards, and that was supposed to be done by the color of the back. How could we mark the cards? As you can tell from the previous story, there was absolutely no way whatsoever that we'd be making new film for the fronts!
The printer told us that they could "step and repeat" over the black printing plate to put a symbol on the front of the cards. It had to be black, and it had to be identical on all of them. We figured a scimitar would work, and Jesper and I picked out a spot where we could squeeze it onto the cards.
But how to get this image to Carta Mundi, in Belgium? We're already a few days late in getting the cards printed. Our fans are screaming, and any further delay means the printer won't have time to print the cards now. They have other jobs that are scheduled to start. Our job would have to wait until the next open slot in their schedule, which was a couple weeks out.
“We'll fax it to them.” I announce.
Naturally, everybody looks at me like I'm insane. Everybody knows how crappy and jagged faxes look. How can we possibly fax this teensy little scimitar to them in any useful form?
Blow it up first. We fax over a copy of the simitar that's eight inches long. An eight inch scimitar at 200dpi (that's "fine" quality on a fax), is a 3200dpi scimitar when it's shrunk down to 0.5 inches long.
And that's what we did.