List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

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List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Neuron » Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:05 pm

Table of content

I. Information

1. Set names
2. Easy to identify cards
3. Hard to identify cards
4. Post your cards


II. List of hard to identify cards


1. German
2. Italian

Click here for a detailed explanation and the German list




ITALIAN



WHITE

Armageddon: FWB rules text: Tutte le terre in gioco sono distrutte. 4th rules text: Distruggi tutte le terre.
Armatura sacra (Holy Armor): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Avatar (Personal Incarnation): FWB: Textbox filled out completely. 4th: Small font, box could fit ca. 4 lines of text more.
Castello (Castle): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Forza Sacra (Holy Strength): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Karma: FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Pegaso delle Mese (Mesa Pegasus): FWB: Textbox filled out completely. 4th: Small font, box could fit ca. 5 lines of text more.


BLUE

Controlla Creatura (Control Magic): FWB: Six lines of text. 4th:Two lines of text.
Elementale dell'Acqua (Water Elemental): Alignment only, pictures needed.
Feedback: FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Mostro Fantasma (Phantom Monster): FWB: Last word in text box "Palace" in a new line. 4th: Very small font, last line: "-- Edgar Allan Poe 'The Haunted Palace'"
Muro d'Acqua (Wall of Water): FWB rulestext {U}: +1/+0. 4th rulestext {U}: +1/+0 fino alla fine del turno.
Rubare Artefatto (Steal Artifact): FWB:Eight lines of text. 4th: Two lines of text.
Stregone Errante (Prodigal Sorcerer): FWB: Beginning of rulestext "{T}: Infligge un danno..." 4th: "{T}: Lo Stregone Errante infligge 1 danno..."
Volare (Flight): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.


BLACK

Bruma (Frozen Shade): FWB rulestext {B}: +1/+1. 4th rules text {U}: +1/+1 fino alla fine del turno.
Fuoco Fatuo (Will-O'-The-Wisp): FWB: First line of rules text: Volare; {B}: Rigenera. 4th: Volare.
Incubo (Nightmare): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Luna Nera (Bad Moon): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Muro d'Ossa (Wall of Bone): FWB: Text block is placed leaving approx. the same space to the top and bottom border of the text box. 4th: More space to the top.
Ombra Infernale (Nether Shadow): FWB: First word in text "Se". 4th: First word in text "Al".
Paura (Fear): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Peste (Pestilence): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Stretta Mortale (Deathgrip): FWB: Seven lines of text. 4th: Four lines of text.
Terra Maledetta (Cursed Land): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Terrore (Terror): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Ululato Infernale (Howl from Beyond): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.


RED


Elementale del Fuoco (Fire Elemental): Alignment only, pictures needed.

Elementale della Terra (Earth Elemental): FWB: Text block is placed leaving more space to top than to bottom border of textbox. 4th: Approx. same space to each.
Fumo (Smoke): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Segno del Caos (Chaoslace): FWB: The word "TAP" last word third line. 4th: First word in fourth line.
Terremoto (Earthquake): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Tunnel: FWB: Rulestext: Seppellisci un muro. 4th: Seppellisci un muro bersaglio.


GREEN

Forza della Natura (Force of Nature): FWB: Eight lines of text. 4th: Five lines of text.
Fungosauro (Fungusaur): FWB: Last word of third line "esso". 4th: Last word of third line "di".
Ragnatela (Web): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Sgretolamento (Crumble): FWB: Rules text "Seppellisci l'artefatto colpito." 4th: Rules text "Seppellisci l'artefatto bersaglio."
Uragano (Hurricane): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Vagabondare (Wanderlust): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Wurm Devastatore (Craw Wurm): FWB: First word in second last line "provenga". 4th: First word in second last line "prevenire".


ARTIFACT

Globo dell'Inverno (Winter Orb): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Morsa Maledetta (Black Vise): FWB: First word of rules text "Se". 4th: FWB: First word of rules text "Alla".
Onulet: FWB: Bold copyright line. 4th: Normal copyright line.
Tappeto Volante (Flying Carpet): FWB: Last word in first line "creatura" 4th: Last word in first line "abilità".
Trono d'Ossa (Throne of Bone): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.
Uomo d'Ottone (Brass Man): FWB: Text centered. 4th: Text aligned to the left.


LAND (Alignment only)

Foresta (Forest): 4th Edition: http://i.imgur.com/uy2Mexy.jpg
Isola (Island): 4th Edition: http://i.imgur.com/LMdzv0n.jpg
Montagna (Mountain): 4th Edition: http://i.imgur.com/2YG3CbR.jpg
Palude (Swamp): 4th Edition: http://i.imgur.com/I5kNpUg.jpg
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Post by cataclysm80 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:49 am

Good idea Ron, this will be a Great thread!

Of coarse, the first thing to do when trying to identify which of these sets a card is from is to check the set list. Many cards are only in one of the two sets. For example, there are no dual lands in 4th Edition.

The next thing to look for is a lowercase i or j in the card name. FWB uses slash marks above those letters, while 4th uses more of a round dot. Here is a picture.

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Here is a link to an older thread with more tips on how to tell these sets apart. http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/v ... php?t=2383

The above tips will help in identifying most cards from these sets, but some cards are more difficult, and this thread is about those difficult cards.



Ron, is your list above a complete list of the cards which are in both sets but do not contain an i or j in the card name?

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Post by cataclysm80 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:04 am

For Clarification, we should mention that FWB is a set that is known by many names.

German Unlimited Edition
German Revised White Border
Italian Second Edition
Italian Revised White Border

These are all names for Foreign White Border (FWB).

Sometimes this set is also called Third Edition.
(That is because this set is based off of English Revised which is the Third Edition of the game, even though FWB is only the second printing in each of these languages.)

For uniformity and to help eliminate confusion, please refer to the set as Foreign White border (or FWB) in this thread.

Please DO NOT call 4th Edition FWB even if it is technically foreign and white bordered, because that will only confuse people. 4th Edition should be called 4th Edition.


FWB was also available in French, but that set is not near as difficult to identify as German or Italian. French FWB is completely covered here...
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/forum/v ... php?t=9063

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Post by cataclysm80 » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:14 am

Happy to provide the first card scans for this thread!

Here is the German Drudge Skeleton & German Fireball.
This picture is in chronological order.
FBB on the Left FWB in the Center 4th Edition on the Right
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I have some of the other cards on this list as well, and will try to provide scans of them when I get a chance. (might be a couple weeks?)

I know I have both versions of the Blauer Urknall (Blue Elemental Blast).

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Post by mmgun » Wed Mar 19, 2014 5:16 pm

I think you can get all scans for italian and german cards online. They might be listed wrong according to the set ( saw some wrong at trader-online), but should be available at least. Cardgame-club seems to be very correct.

German:

www.trader-online.de ( type only the german name in the search, else you get english scans)

Example Eye for an Eye

3rd BB
Image


3rdWB

Image

4th
Image


www.cardgame-club.it ( type english or italian names, select magic from the right pulldown menue)


Example for armageddon:
FBB: Image
FWB: Image
4th: Image



For portuguese Cards use this site:

http://www.magicjebb.com.br/site/
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Post by Neuron » Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:10 pm

Thank you for your helpful answers!

Tav, your guide is almost exactly what I thought of, I will add this above. Also good tips concerning the different names, that will be important to avoid confusion.

mmgun: Trader might help with many cards with different text. For the others, the resolution is not good enough to be sure. I made mistakes through that in the past. As visible from the logo in the above examples, they were not done simultaneously, so the color effect could be due to another software.
What's the neccessity to add Portuguese? Thanks for the link, though.

For reasons of practicablility, scans just of "alignment only" cards will be added, for the ones with different text, a (even partial) description of it should be sufficient. This keeps the list short and is easier to paste.

Yet, feel free to post all scans you have for the critical/much time having people.

Not much time now, hope to do the updating soon.

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Post by cataclysm80 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 6:21 am

Here's the Blue Elemental Blasts, Left to Right, FBB, FWB, & 4th

Tav

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Post by Neuron » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:54 pm

Thanks, added!

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Post by cataclysm80 » Sat May 03, 2014 9:47 pm

I independently checked, and completely agree with your conclusion on which Samite Healer is FWB and which is 4th.

Here they are...
Left to Right, FBB, FWB, & 4th

Tav

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by cataclysm80 » Sun May 04, 2014 12:10 am

Neuron wrote: Waldfeen (Scryb Sprites): Alignment only (http://www.kwicpix.de/images-i27493bfy2ka.jpg)

Having Trouble with my German Scryb Sprites. I have 3 of them with a 1995 copyright date, but I think they all look the same (even under magnification). Can anyone possibly show me the difference, and / or sell me some more Scryb Sprites to look at?

Thanks!

Tav

P.S. The link shown in the above quote doesn't seem to work.

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Post by Neuron » Sun May 04, 2014 8:07 pm

Added: Pictures of Counterspell, Disenchant, Rod of Ruin, Scryb Sprites.

Green cards are usually more difficult to tell, it seems that the alignment differs less than in other colors.

The picture should show both versions of Scryb Sprites chronologically. The easiest way here is to look how the letters of the rules text are aligned to the wood boards in the background. Additionally, the coloring of German 4th Edition cards includes a bit more yellow.
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Post by cataclysm80 » Mon May 05, 2014 3:10 pm

Thanks, That helps a bunch! The alignment difference is so small that I was having trouble seeing it in the card name (about 3 or 4 pixels difference on a 600 DPI scan).

Looking at the rules text compared to the wood grain background was much easier.

I do have both versions, and will try to post a pic later.

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Post by Neuron » Mon May 05, 2014 4:51 pm

My pleasure!

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Post by cataclysm80 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 6:57 am

Here's my Scryb Sprite pics...

Left to Right, FWB, & 4th
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Because it's so hard to tell them apart, here's a close up of the text boxes next to each other.

Top and bottom of text boxes along with woodgrain lines in background all lined up to match. Text is slightly higher on 4th Edition card. Straight Red Lines added to help you see the difference.
The g in the rules text touches / doesn't touch the woodgrain line.
The D at the beginning of the flavor text doesn't overlap / overlaps the woodgrain line.
The g's in the fourth line of flavor text (bottom red line) covers / touches the woodgrain line.
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Post by Neuron » Thu Sep 04, 2014 5:49 pm

Worked on Italian blue and black cards.

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