List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

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Post by Neuron » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:56 pm

box1985 wrote:It's difficult for me to classify "incAnalare energia".

The first and second photos have the same exactly text but different color.
The second if i consider only the colour must be 4th...but i'm not sure


The second and third photos have a different text but same colour.
Don't know if the second photo is 4th....
Hi,

principally, the middle picture could be both 2nd or 4th. But considering the fact that Italian 4th was realeased on delay (1996 whereas all other European 4th Editions were in 1995), it's not very probable it's 4th. Further, there is not even one other card known from Italian 4th with bold copyright (Mark; correct me if I'm wrong).

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Post by cataclysm80 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:21 pm

mmgun wrote:For me the links work fine. But they dont link to the actual card pictures, but just to the search result overview page for each card.
However, this is a public page, so everyone can check any card there himself.

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The links work for me also.

I believe that the middle card here is Second Edition, and the bottom card is 4th Edition.

I notice that the copyright line is closer to the bottom of the card on Second Edition.
Is it like that on all the cards from that set? If so, that would make identification between the two sets pretty easy.

I have caught a cold, so I might not be thinking clearly.

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Post by Neuron » Wed Mar 25, 2015 5:50 pm

Not all cards have it, just the redesigned ones.

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Post by Neuron » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:49 pm

Some red cards added.

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by cataclysm80 » Sat Apr 09, 2016 2:51 am

I was just sorting through my foreign language cards, and found 2 cards from you list that aren't figured out yet.

They are Animate Artifact & Plague Rats.

I do not know if these are FWB or 4th, but I suspect they are 4th because the other 27 German cards that I got at the same time were all from 4th.

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Neuron » Mon Apr 11, 2016 8:48 pm

Thank you for the pictures, they will be useful when I have others from the same cards for comparison. Did you check them for the black dot on the back?

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by tryst » Sat Apr 16, 2016 6:55 pm

cataclysm,
The Animate Artifact looks like a German 4th (the g is elevated).
Look at the 'g''s in the attached scan (German 4th on the top is elevated from the border, German Revised is resting on the border).
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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by cataclysm80 » Tue May 17, 2016 6:20 pm

This is a German FWB Control Magic.
It was opened in a pack which also contained a miscut Demonic Tutor. (both are uncommons)

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by cataclysm80 » Thu May 19, 2016 5:04 am

Regarding the Italian FWB cards.
It may seem simple to identify them by using the lowercase i, or some of the other tips at the beginning of this thread.
However, as shown by the picture of the Channel, there are two versions of at least some of the Italian FWB cards.
Originally, I had thought the differences may be linked to the bolder copyright seen on some Italian FWB cards, but it seems this is not the case.
My current theory is that this only affects green cards, but possibly not all of the green cards.
It seems that in the first release of Italian FWB, the green cards had dark colored text boxes. They also had the slash over the lowercase i like the rest of the cards in Italian FWB.
The artist proofs are this version with the dark colored text box.
Then it seems that at least some of the green cards in Italian FWB (maybe all of them?) were corrected to a lighter colored text box. This correction happened after the font change to round dots over the lowercase i, so at first glance, you may think that these cards are 4th edition cards. They are not. Their rules text remains identical to FWB, not the updated 4th edition text.
You would need to know which text went with which set in order to identify your card.

For the reasons listed above, I suggest that we add all green Italian FWB cards to this list of cards which can be difficult to identify.

As shown above, Channel has two Italian FWB versions.
I've heard that Lure and War Mammoth also have two FWB versions. It would be nice to have pictures.
Maybe we will find more if we start to look.

If it exists, I'm looking for an Italian FWB Scryb Sprite with the light colored text box.
With Scryb Sprites, the rules text is very similar between FWB and 4th, but there is a slight difference if you look closely.
The rules text has 8 lines.
On the 6th line of text, is the word "certa"
The FWB cards have a comma after the word like this "certa,"
The 4th cards have a colon after the word like this "certa:"

I'm looking for the FWB with a light text box, round dots of the i in the card name, and it will have a comma after the word certa, indicating that it is a FWB card and not 4th.

Maybe it doesn't exist?

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Neuron » Mon May 23, 2016 12:36 pm

Thank you for your info and pics. If it's true that the bold copyright line is not associated with the round i dots on Italian FWB, the rest of the green cards should definately be listed. I'd like to see one example prior to extending the list.

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Tosta Dojen » Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:40 pm

cataclysm80 wrote:This is a German FWB Control Magic.
Here is its counterpart from 4th Edition:

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Neuron » Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:50 pm

Tosta Dojen wrote:
cataclysm80 wrote:This is a German FWB Control Magic.
Here is its counterpart from 4th Edition:
Thank you, Tosta, you are welcome to post more singles missing on the list so that we have more material to spot the sets.

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Neuron » Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:52 pm

Updated the list.

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Tosta Dojen » Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:58 pm

Neuron wrote:Thank you, Tosta, you are welcome to post more singles missing on the list so that we have more material to spot the sets.
I'm working on it presently. In the meantime, can you elaborate on something you said above?
Neuron wrote:Did you check them for the black dot on the back?
I don't see any other mention of a black dot in this thread, but I take it there's some significance to it. Can you explain, or point me to an explanation if one is posted elsewhere?

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Re: List of hard to distinguish FWB and 4th Edition Cards

Post by Tosta Dojen » Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:39 pm

These can be added to the Italian list:

Globo dell'Inverno (Winter Orb)

FWB:
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4th Edition:
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Ombra Infernale (Nether Shadow)

Not sure which edition this is:
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I also notice that Fuoco Fatuo (Will-O'-The-Wisp) is incorrectly listed in the 'Red' section in the top post. It is a black card.

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