Shard Phoenix APAC 07/08

[equi-nox76]

Hello everybody,

I recently received an APAC Shard Phoenix, now I have some questions.

I already had 3 of them, so I could compare it with them. While comparing them I established, that 2 of them seem to be fake OR come from other printers. I did not even realize that one of the 3 I had was different (I only got curious because the new one I bought smelled differently ).

The seller (I did lots of business with him so in fact I trust him) of the last one told me he personally got the card this year at a tournament. The last one from those I already had is from 2008 too, the other 2 I bought from players in 2007 when they were released first.

I also showed all 4 of them to 2 friends that are quite familiar with promo's and fakes and they told me that either the 2 Shards from 2008 were printed in a different way OR they are the best fakes they have ever seen.

Here is the difference:
- the cards are thinner and
- the back does not show the normal MTG pattern (under the microscope)

The foiling looks very good, so if you would just SEE the card you would never say it's a fake...
But when you take it out of the perfect fit sleeve you recognize that the card is slightly thinner.

So, does anybody now where the cards were printed? Are there 2 different print runs / printing methods for this card?

Any input is welcome...

THX
Chris

[magic-belgium]

Could you scan please ?

[equi-nox76]

If I would scan the cards you would not see a difference, I would have to scan the backsides of the cards with an extremely good scanner to see the difference, but trust me there IS a difference: one has the normal MTG pattern on the back, the other backside does not have this pattern (saw it under the microscope).

I think there were made scans of different backsides in a post here in another discussion. There you can see what I mean (someone has a link?)

Chris

[hortar]

I wonder which of them I have

[equi-nox76]

I wonder which of them I have

Where did you get it from and when did you acquire it?
Chris

[the swiss]

MTG pattern on the back.

Nobody has the link ?? - Hammr7 ??

Thanks for looking.

[mystical_tutor]

Here is the difference:
- the cards are thinner and
- the back does not show the normal MTG pattern (under the microscope)
Chris

Hay Chris, just take the thinner card and tear it in two to see if there is an inner layer........

NO CHRIS... DON'T DO THAT.. I WAS JUST KIDDING!!!!

Are the thinner cards the ones with the different backs?