What do people think about hand-cut miscuts?

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Post by random » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:54 pm

I only buy the Real Thing.
How do you know though? If the $$ on miscut/crimped cards gets to a certain point it's profitable to create miscut/crimps.
Sure you can spot a lot of BS but if the $$ is good it's worth making these. Manipulating cards is A LOT easier than counterfeiting them.

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Post by dragsamou » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:59 pm

random wrote:
I only buy the Real Thing.
How do you know though? If the $$ on miscut/crimped cards gets to a certain point it's profitable to create miscut/crimps.
Sure you can spot a lot of BS but if the $$ is good it's worth making these. Manipulating cards is A LOT easier than counterfeiting them.
Well, for $$$ some will kill mother and father, others will manipulate, others will counterfeit, etc....I don't belong to any of these categories and $ is not My God :wink:
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Post by l0qii » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:22 pm

random wrote:
I only buy the Real Thing.
How do you know though? If the $$ on miscut/crimped cards gets to a certain point it's profitable to create miscut/crimps.
Sure you can spot a lot of BS but if the $$ is good it's worth making these. Manipulating cards is A LOT easier than counterfeiting them.
This is why I don't collect these

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Post by Tha_Gunslinga » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:00 pm

What do people think about hand-cut miscuts?
I think the people who make them should be shot.

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Post by random » Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:20 pm

I don't belong to any of these categories and $ is not My God


$ is my God. That's besides the point though...

How does anybody "know" the difference between an actual factory defect card versus a card manipulated to look that way?
I'm meaning an intelligent person doing this, not some shoddy BS. I don't think you can spot a well made "fake" defect. The printing/packaging equipment is too universal imo.

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Post by ouallada » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:13 pm

Tha_Gunslinga wrote:
What do people think about hand-cut miscuts?
I think the people who make them should be shot.
Harsh, but fair.

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Post by l0qii » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:51 pm

random wrote:
I don't belong to any of these categories and $ is not My God


$ is my God. That's besides the point though...

How does anybody "know" the difference between an actual factory defect card versus a card manipulated to look that way?
I'm meaning an intelligent person doing this, not some shoddy BS. I don't think you can spot a well made "fake" defect. The printing/packaging equipment is too universal imo.
You pull it yourself, or witness it being pulled. That's the only way.

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Post by ouallada » Fri Oct 04, 2013 8:32 pm

Which actually devalues miscuts across the board, a little like how square-bordered cards are devalued by potentially being cut from a sheet, or how blank foil fillers are devalued because it is possible to acetone foils.

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Post by dragsamou » Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:19 pm

random wrote:I don't think you can spot a well made "fake" defect. The printing/packaging equipment is too universal imo.
As much as real famous paintings are in Museum, while the Original one is at a Private Collector place, this can apply also for MTG Original Art. There are a few new technologies gaining acceptance now or currently in development that can help avoid fakes.
ouallada wrote: or how blank foil fillers are devalued because it is possible to acetone foils.
Those are quite easy to spot, a study was made on this forum, of how to make a difference between a Fake and Real one. It should be in the
Card Structure and Integrity subsection on this forum.
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Post by effai » Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:28 pm

dragsamou wrote:
l0qii wrote:Once a sheet is given out it is totally up to the owner of that sheet what they want to do with it. WOTC no longer has any control over that, and I imagine eBay would ignore any take down requests.

The responsibility would fall on groups like ours to make sure future collectors/players are aware of hand cut cards and where they come from.
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Correct. I was amazed at the number of sheets available or that was available on the market from so many Editions or Extensions. If you type MTG uncut sheet on Google images, it's a blast.
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Post by ouallada » Sat Oct 05, 2013 6:27 pm

dragsamou wrote:
ouallada wrote: or how blank foil fillers are devalued because it is possible to acetone foils.
Those are quite easy to spot, a study was made on this forum, of how to make a difference between a Fake and Real one. It should be in the
Card Structure and Integrity subsection on this forum.
Exactly, they ARE easy to spot, and YET the prices have been affected drastically. If handcuts become rampant, is anyone denying that the same will happen to legit miscuts?

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Post by vegas10 » Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:57 am

pretty much stay away from miscuts now because too many fakes out there (I consider handcuts a fake misprint myself).

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Post by Keevy Bogsbury » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:00 am

Yeah, it seems as though the miscut market has been flooded with fake, hand-cut "miscuts" in recent years (last ~3 years or so). I've found it rather sad and annoying.

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Post by hammr7 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:47 pm

I have always been a big collector of Crazy Clown tokens. Look at what happened when the market was flooded by reprints of dubious origin. $100 tokens were suddenly worth $10 or less, and prices for these tokens have never recovered.

I have always considered miscuts and most misprints to be inferior, simply because they weren't as perfect as they were supposed to be. Maybe it was the result of working in the print industry, where my company's reputation would be damaged if we allowed such product out the door.

For whatever reason, MTG collector's have turned miscuts into something special. But as noted baove, there are enough uncut sheets to make a lot of miscuts.

I'm all in favor of cutting sheets to make real, whole, cards. If you can't do this, then the value of uncut sheets becomes meaningless (it might as well be a poster instead of an uncut sheet). But the monetary goal of cutting a sheet should be the value of the regular cards if they are cut correctly.

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Post by paris » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:58 am

vegas10 wrote:pretty much stay away from miscuts now because too many fakes out there (I consider handcuts a fake misprint myself).
Same here. The presence of all these hand-cut miscuts has made me lose all interest in miscuts. Whenever I see a badly miscut card now, I automatically assume that it was hand cut.

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