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French Revised WB and 4Th Edition 9 Cards Differences.

Post by dragsamou » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:41 pm

Hi All

This link with scans, should help.

http://jp.queill.free.fr/CCG/Complements/Magic_3vs4.php

TRANSLATION OF THE FRENCH TEXT

Reissue in white borders of the original French Limited Edition (3rd Edition FR ) was conducted in June 1995. Most cards are © 1994 , but some have been corrected during this reissue and then wear a © 1995, posing a risk of confusion with the card of the same name in the fourth edition .

This is often the terminology and style of writing which allows to make a distinction . For example on "Scryb Sprites " is © 1995 in two editions, the words " Flying " in the third edition is replaced by " Flight " in the 4th edition.

There are other differences, graphics those. For example white mana symbol of the 3rd Edition is significantly smaller than the one of the 4th Edition .

According to my information , the risk of confusion relates only to the following cards: " Primordial Clay ", " Library of Leng ", " Black Vise ", " Scryb Sprites", "Will-o'-the-Wisp ", " Grizzly " " Island Sanctuary ", " Island Fish Jasconius ", " Nether Shadow ."

Cards "Jandor's Ring " and " Contract from Below " in this edition white borders also bear a © 1995 but were not included in the 4th edition . There thus exists a version which necessarily belongs to the third edition . Although therefore no risk of confusion , I also gives the scan here for completeness .

Scans of these cards can be found on this page for reference in 3rd and 4th .
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Post by cataclysm80 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 5:18 am

Thanks, this helps with my Scryb Sprites & Library of Leng global sets.

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Post by Neuron » Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:02 pm

Thanks for the link.
I always wonder why the French translator changes almost every name so much :-O :-k

Couldn't it simply be the case that the 1995 copyright on French Unlimited is a misprint like at least German and Japanese Tainted lands from Nemesis? They have 2003 instead of 2002.

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Post by dragsamou » Tue Oct 15, 2013 6:57 am

Neuron wrote:Thanks for the link.
I always wonder why the French translator changes almost every name so much :-O :-k

Couldn't it simply be the case that the 1995 copyright on French Unlimited is a misprint like at least German and Japanese Tainted lands from Nemesis? They have 2003 instead of 2002.
Hi Neuron

I just did a translation of the French text without coffee #-o
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Post by Neuron » Tue Oct 15, 2013 9:18 pm

Hi Neuron

I just did a translation of the French text without coffee d'oh!
Are you really the translator for French Magic?

I meant Srcyb -> Scrutaie, Jandor -> Jouder, Yawgmoth -> Yaugzebul

The last one is funny :-D

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Post by dragsamou » Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:52 am

Neuron wrote:
Hi Neuron

I just did a translation of the French text without coffee d'oh!
Are you really the translator for French Magic?

I meant Srcyb -> Scrutaie, Jandor -> Jouder, Yawgmoth -> Yaugzebul

The last one is funny :-D
No, I'm not, but when I copy/Paste the French text to Google Translate, the result was not so good, so I did modify it in a better English....Without coffee #-o
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Post by cataclysm80 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:42 pm

For most of those cards, which set they belong to can also be identified by a slash over the lowercase i vs. a dot over the lowercase i.
Slash = Tirage Non Limite, Unlimited, Revised, 3rd (whatever you want to call it)
Dot = 4th edition

The only one of those cards without a lowercase i is Will-O'-the-Wisp, so that card is more difficult.

Alexis, is it possible to include this info here on the Librarities site (not in the forum)? Maybe include the scans, or at least the scan of the Will-O'-the-Wisp, so that in the future when this forum thread becomes difficult to find, people will still be able to identify their cards. Putting a link to this info on the Revised page ( http://www.magiclibrarities.net/sets-re ... ition.html ) and maybe the 4th edition page would be a good idea.

I know this link http://www.magiclibrarities.net/magic-s ... index.html is hard to find.

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Post by dragsamou » Sat Oct 26, 2013 5:48 pm

cataclysm80 wrote:
Alexis, is it possible to include this info here on the Librarities site (not in the forum)? Maybe include the scans, or at least the scan of the Will-O'-the-Wisp, so that in the future when this forum thread becomes difficult to find, people will still be able to identify their cards. Putting a link to this info on the Revised page ( http://www.magiclibrarities.net/sets-re ... ition.html ) and maybe the 4th edition page would be a good idea.

I know this link http://www.magiclibrarities.net/magic-s ... index.html is hard to find.

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I can't add things in the Magic Card Sets, as my webmaster didn't develop a specific program either for Magic Card Sets or Magazine Galleries. In the future that might be a possibility, what I can do for now, is to make this topic a "Sticky' :wink:
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Post by cataclysm80 » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:04 pm

That is a fair solution. Thanks!

Just in case the website at the other end of the link in your first post is ever taken down, I think we should mention here that the Will-O'-the-Wisp can be identified as follows...

Volant = Tirage Non Limite, Unlimited, Revised, 3rd (whatever you want to call it)
Vol = 4th edition

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Post by dragsamou » Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:07 pm

cataclysm80 wrote:That is a fair solution. Thanks!

Just in case the website at the other end of the link in your first post is ever taken down, I think we should mention here that the Will-O'-the-Wisp can be identified as follows...

Volant = Tirage Non Limite, Unlimited, Revised, 3rd (whatever you want to call it)
Vol = 4th edition

Tav
I will take the scans from there, and put them on First post very soon, in case of :wink:
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Post by cataclysm80 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:05 am

Neuron wrote: Couldn't it simply be the case that the 1995 copyright on French Unlimited is a misprint like at least German and Japanese Tainted lands from Nemesis? They have 2003 instead of 2002.
Actually, while researching a related topic, I think I've discovered why some of the cards in French Unlimited have a 1995 copyright. As the webpage above suggested, the cards that were corrected during the reissue have a 1995 copyright. I was looking through my global sets comparing cards to see what changes had been made between foreign limited and foreign unlimited. I found that German cards have lots of changes between limited and unlimited. Italian cards have quite a few changes but there are also quite a few cards that have no differances other than the tap symbol, white mana symbol, white border, and copyright date. French limited compared to French unlimited is almost identicle with the only difference on the vast majority of cards being the change to white border. The only French unlimited cards that I could find different from the French Limited cards are these 11 cards with the 1995 copyright. The 1995 copyright is not the only difference though.

It turns out that French Unlimited was designed in 1995. The French Unlimited designers took a short cut and used the computer files from French Limited, However, 11 cards from French Limited had errors that needed to be corrected before reprinting them. When the errors were corrected, these cards were given current 1995 copyright dates. Island Sanctuary was even given the new white mana symbol. (Island Santuary could not have received the new white mana symbol if the set had been designed in 1994.) The remaining cards were reprinted just as they were in French Limited, but with white borders now.

It looks like these 11 cards from French Limited are all misprints.

I'd also say that all of the cards in French Unlimited except these 11 are misprints as they should have all had the 1995 date and new white mana symbol if the designers job had been done properly.


I wasn't able to look at every single card, but I know Alexis collects French Limited, so he can probably verify by comparing his French Limited to the French Unlimited shown in the link above to find the errors in French Limited that needed corrected.

On Jandor's Ring the French Limited version was printed with Alladdin's Ring text.

On Library of Leng the French Limited version was printed with une instead of d'une in the text box.

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Post by dragsamou » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:39 pm

cataclysm80 wrote: I wasn't able to look at every single card, but I know Alexis collects French Limited, so he can probably verify by comparing his French Limited to the French Unlimited shown in the link above to find the errors in French Limited that needed corrected.
On Jandor's Ring the French Limited version was printed with Alladdin's Ring text.
On Library of Leng the French Limited version was printed with une instead of d'une in the text box.
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Whenever I will have time, I will compare the text of the 11 cards shown in the French link, I just can compare those as I don't own and collect a French Unlimited Set...
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Post by dragsamou » Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:46 pm

Black Vise Limited

Si votre adversaire a plus
de quatre cartes en main
lors de sa phase d'entretien,
l'Etau lui inflige 1 point
de dégâts pour chaque carte au-delà de quatre.

Black Vise Unlimited

Image

*Contract from Below Limited*

Défaussez-vous toutes les
cartes de votre main et piochez
huit nouvelles cartes, en
ajoutant la premiére à la
mise. Enlevez cette carte
de votre paquet avant la
partie si vous jouez sans mise.

*Contract from Below Unlimited*

Image

Grizzly Limited

Pas question d'échapper à pied à un
grizzli de Dominia; il vous attra-
pera, vous jettera à terre, et vous
dévorera. Bien sûr, vous pouvez tou-
jours grimper à un arbre. Auquel
cas, vous bénéficierez d'une belle vue
avant que l'ours ne déracine l'arbre et
vous avale.

Grizzly Unlimited

Image

Island Fish Jasconius Limited
Vous devez payer BBB lors de votre
phase d'entretien pour dégager
l'Ïle-poisson. Cette créature ne
peut attaquer que si votre adver-
saire a des îles en jeu. L'Île-poisson
est enterrée immédiatement dès
que vous n'avez plus d'îles en jeu.

Island Fish Jasconius Unlimited

Image

*Island Sanctuary Limited*
Vous pouvez choisir de piocher une
carte de moins que requis pendant
la phase de pioche. En échange,
seules les créatures volantes ou
possédant la capacité de traversée
des îles peuvent vous attaquer pen-
dant ce tour.

*Island Sanctuary Unlimited*

Image

Jandor's Ring Limited
8, T : L'Anneau d'Aladdin inflige 4 points de
dégâts à une cible.
Lorsque le magicien eut ainsi parlé, il retira un anneau
qu'il avait au doigt et le mit au pouce d'Aladdin, en
lui disant: << Cet anneau, mon fils, te sauvegardera de
tous les dangers et te préservera de tout mal. (...) >>
-Les Mille et une Nuits, trad. Mardrus.

Jandor's Ring Unlimited

Image

*Library of Leng Limited*

Vous devez passer la phase de défausse de votre
tour, et donc ne pas vous défausser de carte. Si
une carte vous oblige à vous défausser, vous
pouvez mettre la carte sur votre bibliothèque
plutôt qu'au cimetière. Si vous devez vous
défausser une carte au hasard, vous avez le droit
de regarder cette carte avant de décider où la
mettre.

*Library of Leng Unlimited*
Image

*Nether Shadow Limited*

Si ces Mânes sont au cimetiére, recouvertes de
carte parmi lesquelles se trouvent au moins trois
créatures, vous pouvez retirer ces Mânes du
cimetière et les poser en jeu durant la phase
d'entretien. Les Mânes peuvent attaquer pendant
le tour où elles sont posées en jeu.

*Nether Shadow Unlimited*

Image

Primal Clay Limited

Lorsque vous lancez ce sort, vous
devez choisir de créer soit un mur
1/6, soit une créature 3/3, soit une
créature volante 2/2. L'Argile garde
cette forme jusqu'à ce qu'une autre
carte la modifie ou qu'elle soit
retirée du jeu.

Primal Clay Unlimited
Image

Scryb Sprites Limited
Volants.
Il n'y eut aucun bruit, à part le doux
frémissement produit par les ailes des
fées. Alors, ceux des envahisseurs qui
étaient toujours sur pied s'enfuirent en
grande hâte. Une chose était certaine
: ils ne trouvaient plus les habitants de
la Scrutaie très drôles.

Scryb Sprites Unlimited

Image

Will-o'-the-Wisp Limited
Volant. BL : Régénère.
<< Le follet fantastique
erre sur les roseaux. >>
- Victor Hugo, Odes et Ballades.

Will-o'-the-Wisp Unlimited

Image

So, to summarize, all the cards have the same text from Limited to Unlimited even if it's positionate in a different way, except:

*Contract from Below*
Défaussez-vous toutes / Défaussez-vous de toutes

*Island Sanctuary*
pendant ce tour. / jusqu'à votre prochain tour

*Library of Leng*
vous défausser une carte / vous défausser d'une carte

*Nether Shadow*
recouvertes de carte / recouverts de cartes
elles sont posées en jeu. / ils sont posés en jeu.

TO BE DOUBLE CHECKED
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