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PSA 10 Beta Volcanic Island

Post by AbsolutAlphas » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:49 pm

I have one that I'm thinking of throwing on Ebay. Anyone want to guess what it would go for?

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Post by Magic61983 » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:52 pm

$1250
BGS 9+ Alpha set 282/295 (97.29%) Avg 9.41
BGS 9.5+ Beta set 283/302 (93.71%) Avg 9.58
BGS 9.5+ Arabian set 35/92 (38.04%) Avg 9.62
BGS 9.5+ Antiquities set 82/100 (82%) Avg 9.64
BGS 9.5+ Legends set 279/310 (90.00%) Avg 9.61

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Post by mwagee » Thu Jun 02, 2011 7:54 pm

I'll set the floor for you by offering $1k :-\'

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Post by thulnanth » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:24 am

Hey Jake,

How's the centering? I saw a 10 back in the day that really was no better than a couple of my 9's. If the centering is truly awesome I could see it going for quite a bit.

Nothing against you of course, I just think PSA really blows it wrt centering standards on 10's overall :-(

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Post by AXIOS » Fri Jun 03, 2011 1:49 am

psa8 alpha fungusaur :P:P

just kiddinggggggggggg

still trying to find something of your wants ;)
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Post by AbsolutAlphas » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:50 am

AXIOS wrote:psa8 alpha fungusaur :P:P

just kiddinggggggggggg

still trying to find something of your wants ;)
I love the Alpha Fungusaur... but not that much. :p

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Post by AbsolutAlphas » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:51 am

thulnanth wrote:Hey Jake,

How's the centering? I saw a 10 back in the day that really was no better than a couple of my 9's. If the centering is truly awesome I could see it going for quite a bit.

Nothing against you of course, I just think PSA really blows it wrt centering standards on 10's overall :-(

Take it easy,
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I just pulled it out and, yeah, it's not centered. I agree, Jared, that PSA is very inconsistent with how it handles centering.

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Post by mwagee » Fri Jun 03, 2011 3:56 am

Can you post a pic? Just curious abt the centering.

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Post by AbsolutAlphas » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:15 am

mwagee wrote:Can you post a pic? Just curious abt the centering.
Ok, I just posted it on Ebay. I decided to just run it as a Fixed Price auction since I'm not in any great rush to sell it. Here's a link:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0344437281

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Post by mwagee » Fri Jun 03, 2011 5:03 pm

The centering is roughly the same as the BGS 9 Volcanic Island = 8.5 centering. Other cats could be 9.5+.

Does any member know if you can get a 9.5 overall grade with a subcategory lower than 9?

I have a card that has 8 for centering but 9.5/10s on all other cats. Aggregate grade was pulled down to 8.5.

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Post by Magic61983 » Fri Jun 03, 2011 7:02 pm

mwagee wrote:The centering is roughly the same as the BGS 9 Volcanic Island = 8.5 centering. Other cats could be 9.5+.

Does any member know if you can get a 9.5 overall grade with a subcategory lower than 9?

I have a card that has 8 for centering but 9.5/10s on all other cats. Aggregate grade was pulled down to 8.5.
I think the way it works is the card can't have an overall grade higher then .5 above the lowest subgrade. I'm not 100% sure though.
BGS 9+ Alpha set 282/295 (97.29%) Avg 9.41
BGS 9.5+ Beta set 283/302 (93.71%) Avg 9.58
BGS 9.5+ Arabian set 35/92 (38.04%) Avg 9.62
BGS 9.5+ Antiquities set 82/100 (82%) Avg 9.64
BGS 9.5+ Legends set 279/310 (90.00%) Avg 9.61

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Post by thulnanth » Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:12 pm

Magic61983 wrote:
mwagee wrote:The centering is roughly the same as the BGS 9 Volcanic Island = 8.5 centering. Other cats could be 9.5+.

Does any member know if you can get a 9.5 overall grade with a subcategory lower than 9?

I have a card that has 8 for centering but 9.5/10s on all other cats. Aggregate grade was pulled down to 8.5.
I think the way it works is the card can't have an overall grade higher then .5 above the lowest subgrade. I'm not 100% sure though.
That's exactly how BGS grading works.
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Post by mwagee » Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:40 pm

just saw this guy
http://cgi.ebay.com/BGS-8-0-NM-Mint-Alp ... 720wt_1139

sub cats of 10/9/8/7 with overall grade of 8.

now im confused. :-k

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Post by thulnanth » Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:03 pm

OK, I went to the source to get an answer. Per Beckett's website...

About Beckett Grading
How Final Grades are Determined


Here is how we do it!
The overall numerical grade is not a simple average of the four report card grades. Beckett Grading Services uses an algorithm which determines the final grade using the 4 sub grades on the front label of the card holder. The lowest overall grade is the first category to observe because it is the most obvious defect, and the lowest grade is the most heavily weighted in determining the overall grade.

Example:

Centering = 9.5
Corners = 9.5
Edges = 9
Surface = 8
Final grade = 8.5


The reason that this card received an 8.5 is that even though the Surface grade was an 8 (the lowest grade overall), the 9.5 grades on Centering and Corners were strong enough to bring it up a full point to reach the 8.5 level.

Another example:

Centering = 9.5
Corners = 9.5
Edges = 8.5
Surface = 9
Final grade = 9


Upon first glance, it may appear that this card should've received a grade different than a 9. The most this card could receive was .5 (or one-half grade) above the lowest sub-grade. The Edges were the lowest in this case, hence, the card received the overall 9 grade. Even though Centering and Corners received grades of 9.5, a key point to remember is that the minimum requirement to receive a grade of Gem Mint is to have at least three grades of 9.5 and the fourth to be no less than a 9.

Also, please note that the final grade rarely, if ever, exceeds two levels above the lowest of the four characteristic grades. For example, if a card has characteristic grades of Centering 10, Corners 6, Edges 10 and Surface 10, the final grade will be a "7" (of which is exactly two grading levels above the lowest characteristic grade).


So there you go (I think).

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Post by Alien_Starfighter_Pilot » Sat Jun 18, 2011 6:10 pm

thulnanth wrote: For example, if a card has characteristic grades of Centering 10, Corners 6, Edges 10 and Surface 10, the final grade will be a "7" (of which is exactly two grading levels above the lowest characteristic grade).
if .5 is one-half grade (and that makes sense to me), how is a "7" "exactly two grading levels above the lowest characteristic grade" which was 6 in the example? is Beckett Math different than the math I was taught in school?

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