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More albino's than I've ever seen

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Post by mystical_tutor » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:21 pm

Who would have ever thought, in the day, that someone letting the ink run out would result in possibly that much cash.

Where ever these were printed it is certain that the trash collector did not do his job. Wonder if he was getting paid on the side.

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Post by Neuron » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:44 am

I think cheap, isn't it? I count 50 real albinos, this would be $80 each.

I would be interested in a handful (no playables). Any interestees for a group purchase?

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Post by cataclysm80 » Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:47 am

I've seen some discussion about these from people who refused to buy them at shows. Maybe some sunfaded cards in that bunch, and having some there casts doubt on the whole pile.

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Post by Neuron » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:10 am

Yeah, of course one should be critical about color errors, especially those cyan only. But I don't think it's possible to make them artificially cyanless. Overall, that lot seems authentic to me, it shows how slowly the ink ran out and the cards seem to be in good shape.
However, I don't know what people refused them, if it were the misprint experts here, I would abandon it, too.

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Post by dragsamou » Fri Feb 13, 2015 7:29 am

Neuron wrote:Yeah, of course one should be critical about color errors, especially those cyan only. But I don't think it's possible to make them artificially cyanless. Overall, that lot seems authentic to me, it shows how slowly the ink ran out and the cards seem to be in good shape.
However, I don't know what people refused them, if it were the misprint experts here, I would abandon it, too.
Point, is that so called experts saw them in real and didn't invest, this lot has been offered for real long time now. Pics are also not of good quality, and it's a 4K auction, the amount of 198 cards is really high, it's more than All the Albinos offered in the last 20 years on Ebay and else. To finish, Albino are between 100/200+$ now, so 4k seems really cheap.
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Post by Neuron » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:21 am

so called experts
Beware of them when you meet them the next time! :-D

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Post by dragsamou » Fri Feb 13, 2015 8:43 am

Neuron wrote:
so called experts
Beware of them when you meet them the next time! :-D
Did you contact the seller to get as many info possible about those, to hear what he has to say about this:
"They all came into my collection at the same time, in Ice Age tournament deck boxes, so most likely they were all packaged this way together."

Ice Age starter deck contains 60 random cards per deck and an Ice Age rule book. The distribution is 3 rares, 9 uncommons, 26 commons, and 22 lands.

So where are the Albino Rares and Lands ?

Counterspell
Stone Rain
Pyroblast
Fyndhorn Elves
Incinerate
Dark Ritual
Dark Ritual
Brainstorm
Balduvian Bears
Storm Rain
Tor Giant
Soul Burn
Essence Flare
Hydroblast
Counterspell
Disenchant
Pestilence Rats
Adarkar Unicorn
Armor of Faith
Dark Banishing
Norritt
Circle of Protection: Blue
Aurochs
Gorilla Pack
Moor Fiend
Seizures
Barbarian Guides
Circle of Protection: White
Goblin Elf Patrol
Blessed Wine
Rime Dryad
Imposing Visage
Warning
Touch of Death
Rally
Cloak of Confusion
Cloak of Confusion
Kjeldoran Guard
Kjeldoran Skyknight
Essence Effect
Cooperation
Circle of Protection: Red
Arctic Fox
Regeneration
Gaze of Pain
Stonehands
Zuran Spellcaster
Ray of Erasure
Woolly Mammoths
Illusionary forces
Regeneration
Errantry
Chub Toad
Gangrenous Zombies
Arnjlot's Ascent
Mountain Goat
Errant Minion
Dark Banishing
Dire Wolves
Legions of Lim-Dul
Seizures
Aurochs
Limdul's Cohort
Panic
Soul Kiss
Krovikan Fetish
Kjeldoran Warrior
Barbed Sextant
Foxfire
Kelsinko Ranger
Fear
Dire Wolves
Shambling Strider
Zuran Enchanter
Pyknite
Juniper Order Druid
Balduvian Shaman
Fylgja
Power Sink
Adarkar Unicorn
Fyndhorn Elders
Snow Devil
Meteor Shower
Shatter
Clairvoyance
Shatter
Balduvian Barbarians
Word of Undoing
Brine Shaman
Norritt
Tarpan
Gangrenous Zombie
Portent
Goblin Sappers
Brine Shaman
Mistfolk
Fyndhorn Brownie
Orcish Lumberjack
Tinderwall
Pyknite
Lava Burst
Foul Familiar
Juniper Order Druid
Kjeldoran Dead
Ray of Command
Disenchant
Moor Fiend
Snow Devil
Clairvoyance
Armor of Faith
Circle of Protection: Blue
Illusionary Forces
Balduvian Barbarians
Giant Growth
Arnjlot's Ascent
Zuran Spellcaster
Pestilence Rats
Orcish Farmer
Kjeldoran Skyknights
Elvish Healer
Mind Ravel
Death Ward
Arctic Foxes
Sabre Tooth Tiger
Battle Frenzy
Mistfolk
Essence Flare
Orcish Lumberjack
Zuran Enchanter
Balduvian Shaman
Arenson's Aura
Barbarian Guides
Meteor Shower
Goblin Sappers
Woolly Mammoths
Scaled Wurm
Errantry
Heal
Soul Kiss
Snowfall
Gaze of Pain
Heal
Folk of the Pines
Incinerate
Fylgja
Ray of Command
Word of Undoing
Circle of Protection: Green
Bone Shaman
Arenson's Aura
Enervate
Flare
Songs of the Damned
Infuse
Brown Ouphe
Hoar Shade
Mystic Remora
Flare
Tinder Wall
Snowfall
Woolly Spider
Burnt Offering
Balduvian Bears
Gorilla Pack
Woolly Spider
Essence Filter
Shield Bearer
Infuse
Krovikan Fetish
Enervate
Rime Dryad
Bone Shaman
Brown Ouphe
Burnt Offering
Circle of Protection: Green
Earthlore
Elvish Healer
Giant Growth
Orcish Conscripts
Battle Frenzy
Howl from the Beyond
Mind Ravel
Death Ward
Illusionary Wall
Wild Growth
Orcish Farmer
Warning
Orcish Conscripts
Circle of Protection: Black
Prismatic Ward
Hoar Shade
Prismatic Ward
Rally
Sabretooth Tiger
Illusionary Wall
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Post by mystical_tutor » Fri Feb 13, 2015 4:29 pm

dragsamou wrote: So where are the Albino Rares and Lands ?
Here is where historical information about the printing process would be a lot of help.

Were there 4 presses going at the same time? (Rare, Uncommon, common, land) might have been possible ?
But how do we get two presses running out of ink at the same time-Unc, com,?
That is assuming simultaneous printing of all cards on separate presses.
If the sheets were run seperately on the same press we have to get the uninked cards onto the assembly line at the same time from two different runs.
Either way they have to get past quality control as a block to be packaged together

Even knowing how the process worked for sure would make this a very difficult picture to put together.

I have my doubts.

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Post by Neuron » Tue Feb 17, 2015 7:22 am

Some tests to catch fakes:


The sun itself does not seem to fully remove blue. There are often slight hints at red as well... Looking at the card with a loupe can show signs of where ink used to be, and has faded. (citation of one anwer)

Additionally:

Test whether that set is put together:

Look for centering
Look for dot on the back


Quantity alone cannot prove anything. As albino is a full sheet error [corrected: partial to full sheet], there should always appear more at once, as it occured to miscuts and double prints in the past. Just a single one should raise suspicion. And Ice Age common albinos are already known to exist.

Rarity: Printing plates have to be mounted on the press. If the cards were printed all on the same press subsequently, I don't think there was't a quick check before continuing. If printed on different ones at once, low probability for multiple ink ran outs at the same time.

The seller admitted that he traded for them just one year ago. So, there is no guantee that not more cards belonged to this lot, of either rarity.
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Post by cataclysm80 » Sat Feb 21, 2015 6:25 am

Neuron wrote: As albino is a full sheet error
When the ink first runs out, you could have a partial albino sheet. (like the ink ran out half way down the sheet) It would be followed by full albino sheets until the error is caught and ink refilled.

I have seen some partial albino cards.

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Post by Neuron » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:15 am

cataclysm80 wrote:
Neuron wrote: As albino is a full sheet error
When the ink first runs out, you could have a partial albino sheet. (like the ink ran out half way down the sheet) It would be followed by full albino sheets until the error is caught and ink refilled.

I have seen some partial albino cards.

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Thanks for reminding. Of course that's correct, at least it's not probable to have just two or three at a time, that I wanted to point out.

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