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Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by lethe » Mon May 07, 2018 9:22 am

Hi! I'm trying to learn the collation details for sealed Magic products (ie the order that cards appear in the pack). This is closely related to the way the print sheets are laid out, so I've had to reconstruct the layouts of some of the sheets. The data comes mostly from box and pack opening videos that other people have posted online. This project is very early and I'm still working on it, but I thought I'd share some of my results. I hope this is on topic and of interest.

Limited Edition Alpha common print sheet:

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I've seen people say that the Alpha common sheet is the same as the Beta sheet except for the Circle of Protection: Black and the new land art, but I have found that the land next to the COP: Black is also different in Alpha.

Fourth Edition common print sheets:

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There are two distinct Fourth Edition print sheets. From full box openings I have seen, all packs (or starter decks) in the same box use the same sheet.

My method can't determine which row is the top row, and I haven't seen enough miscuts yet to determine which is the top row. The top row shown in the image is probably not correct.

The first sheet is missing two cards, Stream of Life and Cyclopean Mummy. I haven't found enough data to place these yet. (Any opening of that card using the appropriate sheet would be sufficient.) The miscut data from here (which matches except for a Spell Blast/Psychic Venom swap and a Terror/Word of Binding swap -- both have the same color and artist) seems to narrow the top row down to the The Brute row, the Lost Soul row, or the Wall of Spears row.

Ice Age common print sheets:

There are two distinct Ice Age sheets that I have seen. (This matches what was previously known based on miscuts. [1])

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So far, I have only seen one box that used the second sheet, and all the packs in that box used that sheet.

My method currently can't determine which row is the top row, so I used miscuts to decide which row to put on top.

Ice Age uncommon print sheet:

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It's plausible that both the common sheets are paired with this one uncommon sheet, but I'd like to analyze the data some more before I make such a statement conclusively.

The Avalanche row is placed on top based on a miscut I saw on misprintedmtg.com.

Mirage (Made in Belgium) common print sheet:

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I haven't seen miscuts yet that can identify the top row of the sheet, so I chose it arbitrarily (and it is probably wrong).

Mirage (Made in Belgium) uncommon print sheet:

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Again, I don't know which row is actually top, but this could be nailed down with miscuts. Also, I couldn't find quite enough data, so four cards are missing: Fallow Earth, Mire Shade, Painful Memories, and Dissipate.

Mirage (Made in USA) common print sheets:

Mirage printed in the USA uses a completely different collation method. It is only 1-dimensional, so it is harder to determine the exact sheet layout, but there is still some info. Part of this is based on analysis of the USA rare sheet versus tournament pack openings.

There are two common sheets. Each contains two copies of half the commons. Each sheet is split into a run of 60 cards and a run of 50 cards. Based on the rare sheet, it is likely that the 60 card runs are on the top half of the sheets. The runs seem to go from left to right, then on to the next row. I'm assuming they loop. I don't know which card starts each run (assuming they loop), and I don't know which 60 card run is paired with which 50 card run. Each run always has two copies of each card in the run (so every distinct card only appears in one run).

For, one of the 60 card runs, I haven't found quite enough info to complete it yet.

60 card run: Ebony Charm, Crash of Rhinos, Armorer Guildmage, Power Sink, Zhalfirin Knight, Fetid Horror, Village Elder, Goblin Elite Infantry, Cloak of Invisibility, Civic Guildmage, Skulking Ghost, Gibbering Hyenas, Chaos Charm, Bay Falcon, Benevolent Unicorn, Restless Dead, Uktabi Faerie, Viashino Warrior, Merfolk Raiders, Ekundu Griffin, Ebony Charm, Gibbering Hyenas, Goblin Tinkerer, Cloak of Invisibility, Mtenda Herder, Skulking Ghost, Sabertooth Cobra, Kaervek's Torch, Merfolk Raiders, Benevolent Unicorn, Cadaverous Knight, Tranquil Domain, Goblin Elite Infantry, Sea Scryer, Ekundu Griffin, Sewer Rats, Uktabi Faerie, Goblin Tinkerer, Power Sink, Mtenda Herder, Fetid Horror, Sabertooth Cobra, Kaervek's Torch, Azimaet Drake, Zhalfirin Knight, Restless Dead, Tranquil Domain, Armorer Guildmage, Bay Falcon, Femeref Healer, Sewer Rats, Crash of Rhinos, Chaos Charm, Sea Scryer, Civic Guildmage, Cadaverous Knight, Village Elder, Viashino Warrior, Azimaet Drake, Femeref Healer

60 card run (partial): Ritual of Steel, Bone Harvest, Giant Mantis, Flare, Sapphire Charm, Femeref Scouts, Drain Life, Sandstorm, Blistering Barrier, Boomerang, Disempower, Dark Banishing, Rampant Growth, Flare, Sandbar Crocodile, Ritual of Steel, Choking Sands, Stalking Tiger, Incinerate, Jolt, Disempower, Dirtwater Wraith, Seedling Charm, Builder's Bane, Sandbar Crocodile, Ward of Lights, Drain Life, Giant Mantis, Incinerate, Memory Lapse, Healing Salve, Soulshriek, Stalking Tiger, Lightning Reflexes, Sapphire Charm

60 card run (partial): Dirtwater Wraith, Regeneration, Builder's Bane, Soar, Healing Salve, Bone Harvest, Rampant Growth, Burning Shield Askari, Jolt, Divine Offering, Dark Banishing, Regeneration, Lightning Reflexes, Boomerang, Femeref Scouts, Soulshriek, Seedling Charm, Blistering Barrier, Soar, Ward of Lights, Choking Sands, Sandstorm, Burning Shield Askari

(The remaining two cards from the incomplete 60 card run should be the second copies of Divine Offering and Memory Lapse.)

50 card run: Firebreathing, Kukemssa Serpent, Disenchant, Shadow Guildmage, Jungle Wurm, Ekundu Cyclops, Thirst, Prismatic Circle, Urborg Panther, Granger Guildmage, Raging Spirit, Shaper Guildmage, Teremko Griffin, Binding Agony, Jungle Wurm, Searing Spear Askari, Thirst, Ivory Charm, Gravebane Zombie, Wall of Roots, Agility, Teferi's Curse, Noble Elephant, Binding Agony, Jolrael's Centaur, Raging Spirit, Dream Cache, Disenchant, Gravebane Zombie, Wild Elephant, Agility, Kukemssa Serpent, Noble Elephant, Enfeeblement, Granger Guildmage, Searing Spear Askari, Dream Cache, Ivory Charm, Urborg Panther, Wild Elephant, Firebreathing, Teferi's Curse, Teremko Griffin, Shadow Guildmage, Jolrael's Centaur, Ekundu Cyclops, Shaper Guildmage, Prismatic Circle, Enfeeblement, Wall of Roots

50 card run: Alarum, Wall of Corpses, Quirion Elves, Spitting Earth, Teferi's Drake, Pacifism, Breathstealer, Serene Heart, Talruum Minotaur, Ray of Command, Femerf Knight, Dark Ritual, Fog, Stone Rain, Teferi's Drake, Wall of Resistance, Grave Servitude, Armor of Thorns, Talruum Minotaur, Dream Fighter, Dazzling Beauty, Wall of Corpses, Serene Heart, Pyric Salamander, Reality Ripple, Wall of Resistance, Breathstealer, Armor of Thorns, Spitting Earth, Merfolk Seer, Femerf Knight, Feral Shadow, Fog, Dwarven Nomad, Ray of Command, Alarum, Grave Servitude, Mtenda Lion, Stone Rain, Dream Fighter, Pacifism, Feral Shadow, Quirion Elves, Pyric Salamander, Merfolk Seer, Dazzling Beauty, Dark Ritual, Mtenda Lion, Dwarven Nomad, Reality Ripple

[1] Previous Librarities topics about the two Ice Age common sheets: (1) (2)
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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Wed May 09, 2018 10:21 am

Are you Jacob Munk on Facebook ? Since he started the same project about reconstructing an ice age common sheet.
Keith did start to reconstruct an ice age uncommon sheet.

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Wed May 09, 2018 10:34 am

this is both common sheets reconstruct result so far ( might contain still errors)
https://ibb.co/cPK3uS

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The reconstruction is based on many miscuts that were posted on FB. However, i still see some errors in both layouts( your text layout and the partial picture sheet) ,which need further clarification.

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by lethe » Thu May 10, 2018 6:05 am

I am not Jason Munk.

Sorry, I'll be blunt: even seeing this layout, I don't think I have made a mistake. It is possible, though, so please help me see why I might be wrong. It is hard for me to argue for or against this alternate layout without looking at the miscuts it is based on, but I will try to offer some explanations for why the discrepancies might be errors in the construction of the other layout.

The top of the yellow sheet is similar (to my top sheet), but there must have been two mistakes. It looks like Chub Toad and Brown Ouphe got swapped which would be easy to do when using miscuts as there are both 1/1 green creatures with the same artist. The other mistake must have been connecting Soul Kiss and Chub Toad (or Bone Shaman) or Kelsinko Ranger and Mountain Goat. It could be that the white card to the left of Mountain Goat was misidentified or the green card under Soul Kiss was misidentified (unlikely I think).

The other discrepancy on the yellow sheet is the Fyndhorn Elves and Arctic Foxes pairing. This appears to be an accidental mixing of information from both sheets. The Fyndhorn Elves appear on the bottom of my top sheet and the Arctic Foxes appear on the left of my top sheet, but they only appear together on the bottom sheet.

The Woolly Spider and Barbed Sextant pairing from the blue sheet appears on my top sheet. (It didn't fit on the yellow sheet because of the Chub Toad mixup.) The Barbed Sextant and Kelsinko Ranger vertical pairing is more problematic. I can't explain it, so I'd be interested in the miscut that supports it. There's zero support for a white card under Barbed Sextant in my data.

The Norritt and Adarkar Unicorn pairing from the blue sheet doesn't match anywhere, but I do have an Adarkar Unicorn above a Norritt which is at least the right color.

The Arctic Foxes, Meteor Shower, and Pyknite horizontal triple doesn't match anywhere, but my sheets have cards of the correct color in such positions.

I didn't notice any other discrepancies, but I'd be very interested in any miscut that directly contradicts my layouts. (I guess it's also always possible there's yet another sheet, but I don't believe that's what's happening here.)

I am pretty confident of my premise for these reconstructions, as the model of pack collation I'm using for Ice Age is pretty simple and matches the data very well with these sheets. The model was formulated by looking at collation of sets with known sheet layouts (mostly Legends commons so far) which provides good independent evidence for it. The lower sheet is more likely to be in error because it is based on less data, but if there was an error, it would be mostly likely to be some transposition or permutation of a few cards in a column or maybe adjacent columns. I'd have to recheck my data to see where the evidence is weakest.

To provide support for my explanation, I will try to give a quick explanation. For the sake of explanation, let's start with Mistfolk on the bottom-right corner of my top sheet. Some number between 1 and 5 is chosen. Then that many cards are taken from each column in order. For example, let's take 3. Then after Mistfolk will be Arenson's Aura, then Balduvian Bears, then back to Juniper Order Druid, then Hoar Shade, then Snow Devil, then Zuran Enchanter, etc. At the other end of the sheet when it gets to Pestilence Rats it will go back to the right column with Counterspell and a new number between 1 and 5 is chosen for the next pass. A pack might start at any point. The top of the sheet wraps around. (For a few packs, the top 5 and bottom 6 rows wrapped separately -- this also happens in other products, famously with Legends uncommons.)

Here is a link to the data set I'm using. I haven't cleaned it up, so there may be a few mistakes, but it should be pretty self-explanatory.

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Thu May 10, 2018 4:54 pm

yep, there are several errors in the picture layout, even the columns might be wrong.


Here the partial UC sheet:

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Thu May 10, 2018 6:52 pm

looks like this gorilla pack is from the promo sheet, since it does not fit the common sheet pattern

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by BillBo » Fri May 11, 2018 3:30 am

This is fascinating to follow, folks :-O :-O :-O — don't stop now!
I collect land cards, just that.
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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by lethe » Fri May 11, 2018 7:51 am

mmgun wrote:
Thu May 10, 2018 4:54 pm
Here the partial UC sheet:
Think you for sharing! It is very similar to what I came up with. The only mismatches I see are Soul Barrier + Mind Warp (I have Soul Barrier + Icequake), Orcish Healer + Withering Wisps (I have Orcish Healer + Mind Warp), Drifts of the Dead + Nacre Talisman (I have Drift of the Dead + Sunstone), and Force Void + Icequake (I have Force Void + Withering Wisps). These are all the same color at least. I can't tell well enough if any of these would have had evidence beyond color or miscut shape (e.g. artist). (I assume the horizontal layout is arbitrary, but then am not sure why Maddening Wind is put where it is or why Nature's Lore and Thunder Wall didn't get paired.)
BillBo wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 3:30 am
This is fascinating to follow, folks :-O :-O :-O — don't stop now!
I'm glad you're interested! I think I will have more information to add soon. (Mirage...)

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Sat May 12, 2018 5:37 pm

the maddening wind is located wrong in the big picture, according to these:

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by lethe » Mon May 14, 2018 7:42 am

I've updated the first post with some info about Fourth Edition and Mirage. I didn't get as much as I wanted yet, but I think it is still significant.
mmgun wrote:
Sat May 12, 2018 5:37 pm
the maddening wind is located wrong in the big picture, according to these:
Very nice :) This does match my layout.

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Tue May 15, 2018 12:23 pm

Some foreign ( German, italian, portoguese) mirage miscuts seem to fit your "Made in Belgium" Sheet Layout, which makes sense, since the foreign packs are in deed made in belgium. For Top Row refer to this:

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according to this your Row 3 is the actual top row :-)

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Tue May 15, 2018 12:46 pm

looks like you were right :-)

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by mmgun » Tue May 15, 2018 12:49 pm

the uc sheet as well:

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by lethe » Thu May 17, 2018 7:10 am

mmgun wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:46 pm
looks like you were right :-)
mmgun wrote:
Tue May 15, 2018 12:49 pm
the uc sheet as well:
Fantastic! Seeing the original sheets is always the best, so thanks for digging these up!

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Re: Calculated print sheets based on pack openings

Post by cataclysm80 » Fri May 18, 2018 10:57 am

It's nice to see someone else working on this.
I haven't devoted as much time to it as I would have liked.
Here's a quick write up of what I'd done a couple years ago.

http://forum.magiclibrarities.net/forum ... 967#p89967

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