I would like to share pics of a 2 Tortoise Pokemon cards with MTG back. No one has ever heard about it or seen one before. It supposed to come from an Ex-WotC employee. Me and Tav are trying to find info about it and to verify authenticity. Let me know what you think and if you have any input. As a matter of fact, I know nothing about Pokemon cards.
We know about the German Pokemon cards with MTG backs, it's very well documented here (scroll to : *POKEMON GERMAN CARDS SQUARE CUT WITH MTG BACK*)
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/711-rar ... index.html
As not everyone is on FB, I add the post and comments about it erasing names to protect privacy, the very first post was deleted by the original poster. "Owner" is in fact helping a friend owning those cards, in order to get money for him, according to what he said:
Pics were also posted in the forum of a Pokemon website (according to experts there, those Blastoise are 100% fakes):Commentator 1:..what happened to the mtg backed blastoises you posted in this group?
Owner: It came down to people being negative.
Commentator 1: :( Pm send
Dragsamou: If you post something that no one heard about or seen before, it's normal that people ask for better pics and info, and also questioning the authenticity. IMHO
Owner: I never heard or seen one of these before either. And next nothing on info about. I have zero reason to doubt authentication because of the source. Commentator 2 knows the source as well.
cataclysm80: These are much more well known, which is why no one is getting excited with a bunch of questions or doubting their authenticity.
If you have any questions about these, just ask and someone may have the answer. The Blastoises are something which is not known to exist, so they caused quite a stir.
Commentator 2: I'm uncertain which you're saying I know the source of. I'm sure I only know of one place where Magic-backed Blastoises could have come from, but I was not previously aware of their existence. This Sky Spirit, as others have said, is fairly well known. I have an Adarkar Wastes in a slightly different variant.
cataclysm80: I think Owner means that X knows the WotC employee that the cards came from.
That WotC employees name has not been shared with the public, so the public is skeptical about the Blastoise authenticity.
They are worth a lot of money if they are verified as real. The easiest ways would be to provide that persons name so that impartial 3rd parties could contact them (if privacy is a concern, the name could be given to well known trusted members of the misprint community such as dragsamou, Magic61983 , or myself, and we will get the cards added to Librarities and stand behind them as real), or have them make a signed statement which includes their name, what they did at WotC, a description of the item, and what they can recall about how they got it.
If for some reason it isn't possible to say who they came from, then providing high resolution scans of the cards is the next best thing. The printing patterns can be checked for consistency with other Magic & Pokémon cards, and we can make sure the cards aren't homemade with an inkjet or laser printer. Potential buyers will probably want to see high resolution scans anyway.
Before paying thousands of dollars for an item that may have some historical significance, people will want to be sure the item is authentic.
The Blastoise's value is high enough that they're worth the effort to authenticate.
Owner: Commentator 2 just about who they came from. Not the cards themselves. It was the same person I aquire the test foils while at proctors.
Owner: cataclysm80 contacting my guy would be useless because you'd get the same answers I'm giving you. I'm thinking about sending all 3 in . If that happens the price will go up. Gotta love graded card prices.
Dragsamou: Owner Can you please send me by PM HQ pics or scans ? I would love to be able to read the copyright line.
cataclysm80: Owner, people expect a seller to say anything that will make their item worth more money.
Having an impartial 3rd party contact your source and get the same answers your providing is exactly what's needed.
You're saying the item is real, but no one has ever seen it before. When someone asks where it came from, there needs to be a real verifiable answer, not a vague story of an unknown person who used to work for the company.
You believe it's real because you know who it came from. The rest of us want the same thing.
It's authenticity needs documented before it gets any further from the source.
When the public accepts that the item is real, you will have more bidders and a higher end value.
As far as grading them goes, BGS refuses to grade test prints because they can't verify authenticity.
Owner: I don't know why all you guys are saying bidders or auction. When they go up for sale it'll be one price / first one gets it.
Dragsamou: Owner I don't understand why it takes so long to get HQ pics, cause before talking about sale or whatever, the very fist step is to prove authenticity. Auction is mentioned because it will be what brings the most money, and I presume you want the max money don't you ?
cataclysm80: That's fine, it's still worth more if it's widely accepted as real, so you could have a higher fixed price if you didn't want to auction it. Auctioning is common with misprints.
Owner: I'm not in the game for money. All I'm doing is selling my friends stuff to help him out. That's the only reason I'm here. And I found something awesome while doing it.
Dragsamou: Owner, If I help a friend that is in financial need, I will want him to get as much money as possible, and apparently the cards belongs to him not to you, as you're just an helper , correct ?
cataclysm80: I'm also not in it for the money. I find the history interesting, which is why I'd like to see your items confirmed as real. Otherwise we will have years of speculation.
Down the road when the buyer of your items tries to sell them, they will also have a difficult time if there's a bunch of people who have been claiming fake for years. Best for everyone to lay all suspicion to rest.
Owner: I just talked to him and this was what he said about it:
Dragsamou: Remind me of a talk with X and Exalted Games (formerly Proctor Sportscards). As you mentioned the Mini Decks:
http://www.magiclibrarities.net/883-rar ... index.html
Owner: these are different. these are the size of a quarter.
Owner: These were made by him just to have fun with.
Dragsamou: Owner,J I know as you can see the subject is well documented on Magiclibrarities, I spent hours talking with multiple sources, did get HQ scans, etc...One more time, I ask, can you provide HQ pics or scans of the supposed Test Print Blastoise ?
Owner: I don't want HQ pictures out until this is done by PSA. Here's one I will share.
Owner's photo (Pic with copyright)
cataclysm80: Assuming they grade it, what will they label it as?
Won't the slab make getting HQ pics more difficult?
Why don't you want HQ pics to be available yet? (honestly curious, I can't think of a good reason.)
Owner: Because of theft and trying to post them for sale elsewhere.
The grade I don't care about. If they slab it then it'll be authentic. Fake cards don't get it.
cataclysm80: you mean that you're concerned someone might use your pic to scam people? (theft of pic)
cataclysm80: Even if you don't share them, you might want to get a few HQ images before its slabbed.
Dragsamou: Owner, I'm speechless with your answer about someone stealing a pic in order to create a card, and me posting for free on Magiclibrarities scan HQ 600 dpi with zoom function héhé PS: Thanks for the pic, what about what looks like a "T" next to the card name on the left ?
Owner: For the way I've been treated I think it's fair. To be honest I used to love trading and selling rarities on the site. Seeing what people found. No so much anymore. I'll be glad when these are gone and won't deal with them anymore. I'd rather throw them away as I find them.
Dragsamou: Owner, Well, you create a buzz showing cards that no one has seen before or even heard about, so of course it's normal and logical people ask about authenticity. On my part, I don't collect Test Prints, Pokemon cards, etc...So, my interest is only historical and eventually add them on my website with the German ones. The financial part is not of my concern. The fact, that there's 2 means that if it's a Test Print or prototype, more should exist. This is an example of Dual Masters cards press approval on an 8th Edition MTG uncut sheet for your understanding.:
Owner: I never seen or heard about these until I found them in the binder.
cataclysm80: PSA & BGS are card Grading companies.
Their job is to judge the condition of a card.
They refuse to do this for fake cards, but that only works if they realize it's a fake card. They aren't actually an authentication company....See More
Which Magic card is Fake? The ungraded or PSA 10…
Owner: He was talking about the borders. Because I mentioned blastoise. But he also gave me over 100 old pokemon promos so that question was needed.
Commentator 3: Most often when people see something they know little about their immediate reaction is to call it fake and cast negative doubt on it (because they are jelly as F). True collectors either have some vague knowledge of what your posting or are educated e...See More
Owner: yeah I first saw the others on ebay which was cool. I got super excited when I was stripping the binders of stuff for selling and found these. I'll still do some research on them.
Commentator 4:Considering that when I (re)discovered the existence of Portuguese Portal 2 many many years ago, everyone initially thought it was fake, some amount of scepticism is normal and expected, especially of stuff like magic-backed Pokemon cards.
Commentator 5: Owner I'm going to shoot you a PM today if you don't mind.
Owner:Never heard from you.
Commentator 5: Life got in the way again. Will pm when I can friend.
Owner: sure! I'll keep an eye out
Commentator 6:If this goes up for an open auction, please tag me as in interested in bidding
OwnerThere won't be be bidding. I'll set a price and that's it.
Commentator 6:This is a good way to get less than the max possible price :P
Owner Well it's going for sale soon. I got a price I'll be putting it up for.
Commentator 6: k
Commentator 7:Auctions are also a good way to get less as well....the axe swings both ways with auctions.....
Commentator 6: "I want x"
"Starting price is Y but, i reserve the right to not sell" or "Starting at x" and then see if people bid. Boom, impossible to lose
Commentator 7:And its fairly well proven reserve auctions get less bids as well....like I said, the axe swings both ways. Most people argue for auctions so they can hope to get it cheaper than they would be willing to spend....on top of that, some sellers don't wanna deal with an auction....just sell and be done.
Commentator 6:You are yet to list a situation where an auction results in him taking less money from an auction if he starts it with a number he is comfortable with. This is really simple fact here....
Commentator 7: Well, you can have your opinion on how it works. Like I said, people that argue for auctions are purely hoping to get it cheaper than they are would pay......
Commentator 6:I'm not sure you understand what a fact is. If he auctions with a starting price of X it is literally impossible to get less than X. Thus if X is his fixed price, there is 0 financial merit to a fixed price sale. This is not opinion, it is literally the most basic math that X + ABS(y) cannot be less than X
http://efour.proboards.com/thread/5665/ ... t-mtg-back- card layout
- artwork exclusively Japanese
- art border
- font type
- lack of "resistance" column
- use of "escape" instead of retreat
- set symbol
- style of language used
- Pokemon information
Old Topic about Pokemon Test uncut sheets:
http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.ph ... tion-Cards!